Posted on 06/23/2008 3:05:46 PM PDT by betty boop
I wasn’t lumping them together. It could easily have read Jews are just as likely to be right as Muslims and Christians.
I have been speaking from personal experience. If you wish to go back to Jericho and the like, I could include Jews.
But My personal experience with Jim Crow is mostly with Christians. In my lifetime, and in my personal experience, Jews, Unitarians and Quakers -- the most "liberal" of people who call themselvs religious -- have been the ones fighting for basic human rights.
Very interesting. Now, there has to be some truth to all this, wouldn’t you think, if so many different religions believed the same thing???? That in itself is a miracle...lol.
It, in fact, did not read in that manner, however. Quote: “the Muslims are just as likely to be right as the Jews and Christians.” Your explanation is not credible, and you are lumping Moslems and Christians together in the way you are now phrasing things. This is even less likely than your prior phraseology.
Freudian slip? A typo; where you neglected to put in a second “the”? Scrambled syntax? Who knows? At this late date, any explanation after the fact is open to the interpretation that it is being framed in the light of subsequent events.
Well then, just let me say that my personal experience departs considerably from yours (although I had not been principally relying on personal experience). From that we might draw the lesson that both of us should be a little careful about how sweeping a conclusion we might draw from our personal experience.
My personal experience includes the observation that millions of people were denied basic human rigts, were relegated by law to the back of the bus (literally and figuratively) and that Christians of the time voted for the politicians that enacted thoses laws. Dose your recollection contradict mine? Perhaps you'd share your version of history with us.
So, Soliton, science is your God? Have a happy eternity.
Folks have a tendency to forget that it was Christians who were the most rabid abolitionists. They are the ones who freed the slaves and gave them shelter on the way to freedom.
So did Jesus—born a Jew, died a Jew, resurrected and coming again, a saviour.
Alamo-Girl is one of the finest posters on these threads. She never tries to hurt anyone. She’s got true humility and kindness. Some folks here could learn a lot from her.
No, that’s not condescending. It’s the word of God.
I remember that too. In seventeen southern states. I didn’t actually experience it, I only became aware of it sometime before the end of the war, but that means the Christian voters in those other states elected Christian legislators who did not legislate Jim Crow laws. Are you actually old enough to remember that? Or did you only learn of it later, thinking at the time that all states had Jim Crow laws? You speak of personal experience, but you then offer observations, which may or may not be personal experiences, or may simply be your “version” of history.
But, I’ll give you a “personal experience.” I was on a trolley, in the big city, visiting my Great Aunt, when my mother pointed out a Negro family (man, woman, two kids maybe a little older than me) sitting across the aisle from us. They were the first Negro family I had ever seen (small town country hick; heard of Negroes, but had never seen them before). It didn’t mean anything to me at the time, but the most salient thing about that family (in 1941) was that they weren’t sitting at the back of the trolley. Guess they (and I) were lucky enough to be living in a state where the Christians elected legislators who didn’t vote in Jim Crow laws. Hope that “personal experience” didn’t spoil your appetite.
I remember 1947 when Branch Rickey broke baseball’s color barrier. Everyone knew it was coming. Rickey had Jackie Robinson hired and playing in the I League since 1945. There was some rumbling and some ugly threats, but those Christian ball fans kept filling the stadium seats. Rickey was a Christian, too.
And I remember that it was the following year when another color barrier was broken. Harry Truman signed an executive order desegregating the military. And, wonder of wonders, Harry was (gasp) a Baptist! Worse, much to the chagrin of the Dixiecrats and Thomas Dewey, enough Christians voted for him that he was returned to office for a full term.
Those were my experiences. I know they aren’t Jack Shinola to you because they don’t fit your template and they are not what you want to hear, but you can always cover you ears and go la, la, la, la!
I have no template. I merely point out that claiming one nation or one religion has a monopoly on virtue and moral purity is nonsence.
I am aware that the United States is way ahead of average in guaranteeing human rights, and is a leader in history, but that leadership has little to do with religion. White churches in the South did not lead the march.
If you’d get out of your obsession with the date thing, you just might find evidence of that worldwide flood. But I guess that’s the point of obsessing about the date after all; then you don’t have to worry about finding the evidence and disrupting your nice, neat, little world.
If you could find us some clear evidence in the Bible for the date of the Flood, that would be a good start, but relying on “Bible scholars” for whom you have no respect otherwise for authority on something when you consider it all myths and fairy tales is a bit disingenuous at best.
John Newton and William Wilberforce.
Here is the evidence which I used to come up with my estimate for the date of the global flood:
2252 BC -- layevangelism.comIf you could find us some clear evidence in the Bible for the date of the Flood, that would be a good start, but relying on “Bible scholars” for whom you have no respect otherwise for authority on something when you consider it all myths and fairy tales is a bit disingenuous at best.2304 BC -- Answers in Genesis (+/- 11 years).
2350 BC -- Morris, H. Biblical Creationism. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1993.
2370 BC -- TalkOrigins.com
2500 BC -- http://www.nwcreation.net/biblechrono.html
2522 BC -- Dr. Gerhard Hasel
2978-3128 BC -- http://www.asa3.org/archive/ASA/199605/0162.html
3300 BC -- http://www.biblediscoveries.com/flood1.html
3537 BC -- Setterfield (1999)
The Bible claims there was a flood and Biblical scholars point to a date for that flood. Wouldn't it be foolish of me to look for that flood at some vastly different time than what the experts themselves specify?
Actually, I have examined sites going back as old as 13,000 years. Still no evidence of the flood.
How about the Bible for the date?
What’s that? Can’t find it?
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