Posted on 06/23/2008 3:05:46 PM PDT by betty boop
Gen. 6:17 "Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish."
Gen. 7:23 "Thus He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark."
I don't think God is interested in your PR campaign. He seems to want everyone to know that he planned and carried out the destruction of the world.
Sorry my FRiend, I cannot agree with your characterization for it paints God as petulent, ultimately. I would call your attention to the incident when Joshua crossed the Jordan ‘dried up’; there is evidence that the Jordan dries up periodically due to landslides up river which dam up the flow for a time before breaking through again to follow the riverbed. I personally believe God notified Joshua where to camp across from Jericho because God was aware that the landslide was imminent and the flow would be interrupted.
Touche! And where does the scripture indicate to you that the wiping out did not occur over a period of perhaps decades, with a concentrated flooding of the Middle East via the waters breaking through from the Atlantic Ocean to inundate the entire area (and evidenced with submerged ruins along the Black Sea, for instance)?
I never claimed a global flood, some do, I do not.. The word "flood" can have incarnations.. and have variations of intensity in various locations.. You know.. as ALL floods do.. During "floods" some places are high and dry.. ALWAYS.. even lately in New Orleans.. "Flood" is a nebulous word..
But here I must digress because you must realize that when you argue against your definition of a "global flood," you are arguing against a theological view I have not asserted and is not shared among all Christians and Jews.
Some Christians do indeed read Genesis to mean that the flood literally covered all mountains (including Everest) around the world and destroyed all forms of animal life.
But my leaning in the Spirit is different. The Scriptures are Spiritual. Truly, the words of God are spirit and life not mere text or symbols on media, like math or science journals.
And what I "see" is that the Noah Flood was indeed global - worldwide - but that it was targeted or purposed specifically to destroy every creature in which was the neshama the breath of life.
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven; [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die. - Genesis 6:17
All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died. - Genesis 7:22
To God be the glory!
So true!
For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH." So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?"
On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?
Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?
What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?
And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.
Romans 9:17:23
You'll note Paul never answers the question, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" He just says, "Suck it up, God gets to do what he wants." God apparently picks some people and hardens them towards him, resulting in their doing evil acts, and then shows the chosen few how lucky they are by destroying the wicked, who never really had a choice ("who resists His will?")! Of course, he could just have made everyone be good in the first place, but then he couldn't demonstrate his "patience" before napalming his chosen bad people into ashes.
Damned people: Sucks to be you!
The results from a flood can kill living things far beyond the actually flooded areas.. Food chain disruption can exterminate.. We'll all see that when the muzzies start nuking American cities.. When "Mad MAx" mentality become entreanched.. Hopefully not SOON..
Come on, I know you must have a Bible. Genesis 7 sets up the timeline very specifically.
2nd month, 17th day: Flood begins.
40 days, 40 nights rain.
150 days duration the earth is covered completely.
150 days duration the waters receded.
7th month, 17th day: landfall on the mountains of Ararat.
10th month, 1st day: mountaintops all visible.
40 days: release of various birds, 2nd dove returns with an olive leaf, 3rd dove does not return.
1st month, 1st day: The water is dried up from the earth. The catastrophe is officially over, God swears not to wipe out the population again by flood.
But that is not what the Bible says. The Bible says the earth was covered and everything drowned.
Thanks for proving the point that you are a little ‘nettle irritant’ with an agenda and zero manners.
Not in Noah's Flood, as the Bible clearly states.
"Flood" is a nebulous word..
I understand the meaning of the word "is" can be debatable as well.
I know, many people find that particular passage extremely irritating. Take it up with Paul—I didn’t write it!
Everything is the operative phrase..
Christianity isn’t the only religion that claims the flood happened. I believe some ancient religions also did (Babylonians maybe?). It bears looking into.
When you live on the banks of a large river, like many early civilizations, floods are extremely relevant.
Like Jewish Physicist Gerald Schroeder, I also see that both the Creation Week of Genesis 1 and the physical record of a some 15 billion year old universe are true and consistent when one considers relativity and inflationary theory: Age of the Universe
On the Noah Flood, clearly I see that it was a flood though there may have been aspects (or provocations) other than water - including earthquakes, volcanoes, comets, fires, etc. And clearly I see that it was worldwide as the evidence shows.
The difference in my view and some is that I see it as targeted or purposed to destroy everything in which was the neshama - God's breath of life. More specifically, that would mean Adamic man and the beings described in Genesis 6 - and every thing they touched.
Well, it failed in its purpose, then, since the population was not reduced to 8 people.
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