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What Is Life/Non-life in Nature?
self | June 23, 2008 | Vanity

Posted on 06/23/2008 3:05:46 PM PDT by betty boop

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To: MHGinTN
Gen. 6:13 "Then God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.""

Gen. 6:17 "Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish."

Gen. 7:23 "Thus He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark."

I don't think God is interested in your PR campaign. He seems to want everyone to know that he planned and carried out the destruction of the world.

561 posted on 08/11/2008 12:42:36 PM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: Quix

Sorry my FRiend, I cannot agree with your characterization for it paints God as petulent, ultimately. I would call your attention to the incident when Joshua crossed the Jordan ‘dried up’; there is evidence that the Jordan dries up periodically due to landslides up river which dam up the flow for a time before breaking through again to follow the riverbed. I personally believe God notified Joshua where to camp across from Jericho because God was aware that the landslide was imminent and the flow would be interrupted.


562 posted on 08/11/2008 12:45:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: ahayes

Touche! And where does the scripture indicate to you that the wiping out did not occur over a period of perhaps decades, with a concentrated flooding of the Middle East via the waters breaking through from the Atlantic Ocean to inundate the entire area (and evidenced with submerged ruins along the Black Sea, for instance)?


563 posted on 08/11/2008 12:47:34 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Coyoteman
[ You know the Bible better than I. So you (collectively) are backing off the claim of a global flood? ]

I never claimed a global flood, some do, I do not.. The word "flood" can have incarnations.. and have variations of intensity in various locations.. You know.. as ALL floods do.. During "floods" some places are high and dry.. ALWAYS.. even lately in New Orleans.. "Flood" is a nebulous word..

564 posted on 08/11/2008 12:49:17 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Coyoteman; hosepipe; Quix; MHGinTN; betty boop
Thank you for your reply and your welcome to ping you to science articles!

But here I must digress because you must realize that when you argue against your definition of a "global flood," you are arguing against a theological view I have not asserted and is not shared among all Christians and Jews.

Some Christians do indeed read Genesis to mean that the flood literally covered all mountains (including Everest) around the world and destroyed all forms of animal life.

But my leaning in the Spirit is different. The Scriptures are Spiritual. Truly, the words of God are spirit and life not mere text or symbols on media, like math or science journals.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. - John 6:63

We Christians all share the same Spirit, but we have differences on exactly what we spiritually perceive in the words of God - much like different people looking at a seven faceted diamond from different angles would see slightly different things. But it is the same diamond and the same Light.

And what I "see" is that the Noah Flood was indeed global - worldwide - but that it was targeted or purposed specifically to destroy every creature in which was the neshama the breath of life.

And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. - Genesis 2:7

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven; [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die. - Genesis 6:17

All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died. - Genesis 7:22

But regardless of what we Christians see in the diamond, the essential point is that none of those who were judged escaped the judgment:

To God be the glory!

565 posted on 08/11/2008 12:52:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: MHGinTN
Sorry my FRiend, I cannot agree with your characterization for it paints God as petulent, ultimately.

So true!

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH." So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?"

On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?

Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?

What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.

Romans 9:17:23

You'll note Paul never answers the question, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" He just says, "Suck it up, God gets to do what he wants." God apparently picks some people and hardens them towards him, resulting in their doing evil acts, and then shows the chosen few how lucky they are by destroying the wicked, who never really had a choice ("who resists His will?")! Of course, he could just have made everyone be good in the first place, but then he couldn't demonstrate his "patience" before napalming his chosen bad people into ashes.

Damned people: Sucks to be you!

566 posted on 08/11/2008 12:56:22 PM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: ahayes
[ Looks pretty explicit to me. All the earth was covered, everything died, the only things left alive were the creatures on the Ark. ]

The results from a flood can kill living things far beyond the actually flooded areas.. Food chain disruption can exterminate.. We'll all see that when the muzzies start nuking American cities.. When "Mad MAx" mentality become entreanched.. Hopefully not SOON..

567 posted on 08/11/2008 12:57:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: MHGinTN

Come on, I know you must have a Bible. Genesis 7 sets up the timeline very specifically.

2nd month, 17th day: Flood begins.

40 days, 40 nights rain.

150 days duration the earth is covered completely.

150 days duration the waters receded.

7th month, 17th day: landfall on the mountains of Ararat.

10th month, 1st day: mountaintops all visible.

40 days: release of various birds, 2nd dove returns with an olive leaf, 3rd dove does not return.

1st month, 1st day: The water is dried up from the earth. The catastrophe is officially over, God swears not to wipe out the population again by flood.


568 posted on 08/11/2008 1:02:48 PM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: hosepipe

But that is not what the Bible says. The Bible says the earth was covered and everything drowned.


569 posted on 08/11/2008 1:03:31 PM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: hosepipe
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!


570 posted on 08/11/2008 1:03:41 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ahayes

Thanks for proving the point that you are a little ‘nettle irritant’ with an agenda and zero manners.


571 posted on 08/11/2008 1:04:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: hosepipe
During "floods" some places are high and dry.. ALWAYS.. even lately in New Orleans..

Not in Noah's Flood, as the Bible clearly states.

"Flood" is a nebulous word..

I understand the meaning of the word "is" can be debatable as well.

572 posted on 08/11/2008 1:04:50 PM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: MHGinTN

I know, many people find that particular passage extremely irritating. Take it up with Paul—I didn’t write it!


574 posted on 08/11/2008 1:05:31 PM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: ahayes
The Bible says the earth was covered and everything drowned.

It says everything in whose nostrils was the breath of life perished.
575 posted on 08/11/2008 1:06:09 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: ahayes
[ But that is not what the Bible says. The Bible says the earth was covered and everything drowned. ]

Everything is the operative phrase..

576 posted on 08/11/2008 1:06:37 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Christianity isn’t the only religion that claims the flood happened. I believe some ancient religions also did (Babylonians maybe?). It bears looking into.


577 posted on 08/11/2008 1:06:52 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary

When you live on the banks of a large river, like many early civilizations, floods are extremely relevant.


578 posted on 08/11/2008 1:08:41 PM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: ahayes
Thank you so very much for sharing your concerns!

Like Jewish Physicist Gerald Schroeder, I also see that both the Creation Week of Genesis 1 and the physical record of a some 15 billion year old universe are true and consistent when one considers relativity and inflationary theory: Age of the Universe

On the Noah Flood, clearly I see that it was a flood though there may have been aspects (or provocations) other than water - including earthquakes, volcanoes, comets, fires, etc. And clearly I see that it was worldwide as the evidence shows.

The difference in my view and some is that I see it as targeted or purposed to destroy everything in which was the neshama - God's breath of life. More specifically, that would mean Adamic man and the beings described in Genesis 6 - and every thing they touched.

579 posted on 08/11/2008 1:12:26 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Well, it failed in its purpose, then, since the population was not reduced to 8 people.


580 posted on 08/11/2008 1:13:58 PM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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