Posted on 06/23/2008 9:48:46 AM PDT by NYer
Yeah, but I don’t see anything wrong with a public figure having to publicly renounce his/her public actions before being able to recieve, ‘specially if those public actions have been influencing others as far as Church teaching goes.
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The church teaches that all life is sacred, from conception to natural death. The Pope, and the bishops mentioned earler, have all condemned capital punishment. What if they started refusing the sacraments to those politicians who supported it?
Boy, talk about cobbling a news headline out of unrelated instances!
Read the story: The Pope wasn’t addressing Berlusconi, and Berlusconi hadn’t addressed the pope.
Right, man is justified before God by faith.
It’s not a license to sin, which is what I posted earlier, Romans 6:1ff.
As a matter of fact, justification before God means that we as humans finally have the power to do what is good - by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Romans chapters 5-8 deals with the living out of that life controlled by the Holy Spirit.
That’s called sanctification. The deeds of the flesh decrease, and living in the Spirit increases.
As far as Berlusconi, Communion and the Roman Catholic Church goes... the Pope can deny anyone Communion any time. He’s the Pope, right?
It’s not a license to sin, which is what I posted earlier, Romans 6:1ff.
There are a great many non-Catholics who specifically teach that it does not matter what one does after one is saved... he will always be saved. It is a license to sin.
Next time let us know how you REALLY feel
Exactly my point, who is man to deny anyone communion? If one is barred so should all. If the church is only going to refuse a certain few persons when it is convenient to the church then the church is wrong for all men are sinners and you do not have to know what they do or when since they are all by definition sinners. So by saying we cannot deny Communion to so and so because we have no proof he/she is a sinner I say yes you do for the Bible says it so ti really does not matter that a man sees it or not.
I am familiar as anyone and will not change my posts. This says nothing about a man denying a man Communion but the man himself denying and repenting. No man is worthy to judge me or anyone else.
No. I attended Catholic Church many years ago but sought salvation elsewhere.
If you could, provide a couple of examples of “license to sin” teaching so I know exactly who/what you’re talking about.
An individual church, a denomination, that sort of thing.
Thanks.
I think if the Church took a stronger stand on these issues and resumed the role of leadership and exercised their moral authority it would challenge and overcome the secular movement grip on society.
Pax tecum.
I would agree. But I think it needs to be a consistent stand.
How cute. You know exactly what I’m talking about. Most Baptists of whatever stripe subscribe to the once saved always saved no matter what I do mantra. Many prostestant groups follow this including some Church of Christ groups.
Houston First Baptist, Central Baptist- Deer Park Texas (Andy Petit’s stomping ground), San Jacinto Baptist.
Well, there’s nothing cute about it.
What is done often times is confusing justification with sanctification.
Justification has to do with my standing before God. That’s entirely dependent upon what Jesus did on the cross - He paid for my sin. All of it. Another way to refer to this is my “position” before God.
Sanctification, on the other hand, is a process that gradually changes our condition before God. The goal is that it’s a continual process of moving towards a better relationship with God, not away. It starts when one repents of their sin and by faith asks God to apply the one-time payment of the Cross to our sin debt.
Where we are in agreement is that of the “Christian” who has made a “profession of faith” but bears no fruit in keeping with that profession. It doesn’t make sense, and their saving faith is called into question in a number of places in Scripture - Paul’s writings, James’ epistle, for example.
Bottom line is that saving faith should produce fruit in keeping with that faith.
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