Is Church Apostasy the Cause of Terri Schiavo's Plight? "Bye Bye...No more discussion on this.."

Catholic Media Coalition/ CATHOLIC CITIZENS OF ILLINOIS ^ | Barb Kralis

[SerpentDove]

You have hit on one of the MANY things about this situation that disturb me.

Where is the VOCAL OPPOSITION by elected representatives, etc., to this atrocity?

[bethelgrad]

"So is STARVING A WOMEN TO DEATH so that her husband can collect on her insurance and legalize the child he father in his adultery"


Don't be hysterical. Send in the guard, appeal to Gov. Bush, keep fighting, keep praying. But don't try blackmailing a whole state with something that #1 is only applicable to Catholics, and #2 is laugable in the face of the lack of RCC credibility.

My point was that no one cares about interdicts anymore. And if they did, the woman would be dead by the time Floridians starved from not taking communion.

[deannadurbin]

>>What makes the author think that the Catholic Church is the "true church"? I have heard that phrase before and never understood it.

They base their doctrine on that from Matthew 16:18, without realizing that the keys that Jewish Jesus was referring to when speaking to Jewish Peter on that matter had to do with keys to a future Jewish kingdom on earth, not a Gentile one. The kingdom Jesus was referring to is the future Millenium, when He will rule for 1000 years from Jerusalem, as prophesied to Mary when He was born (this prophecy has not yet been fulfilled.)

[mdmathis6]

The real truth is that Jesus Christ died for the sins of all men and rose again! Take away all buildings, bricks, denominations, and traditions and Christ's divine sacrifice is that hinge upon which Christendom swings. It is the acceptance of Christ's forgiveness and concurrent repentance that marks a man for Heaven or Hell! Catholic or Protestant persuasion otherwise, if any man has the living Holy Spirit presence in his life which renews his inner man "day by day" as per Paul, he is God's child!

This is the knowledge that all men must "hold" to know God!

[Mo1]

So now it's the Pope's fault??

[Mo1]

There are two primary enemies in this fight. That is Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer. Save your venom and cries of outrage for them, instead of those who devote their lives to Christian causes and -don't- try to get people killed.

THANK YOU .. Excellent post

[PrepareToLeave]

The fox is in the chiken coop my dear one. We wrestle not with flesh and blood. Not only is the fox in the Catholic church as you've just experienced, but he is also in the protestant church, governments, corporations, you name it. It is Satan whom we battle, it is he that holds not only Terri, but Michael, in his death grip. Hold on to your socks, it's getting hot everywhere. Go directly to the source, Jesus Christ. The middle men aren't doing the job!

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Look whatever one may think or hope for in the Bush boys, they have embraced this control freak approach of not showing normal Christian compassion in such situations from W's death penalty fetish to this.

If Jeb is a SINCERE Catholic, he has a moral duty of making EXTRAORDINARY efforts to DEFEND LIFE. Were I the Governor of this state, I would show up at her bedside to find out what the heck was going on. The local bishops and clergy should do the same. WE HAVE A MORAL DUTY AND BURDEN to prevent the culture of death escalating to where euthanasia and "mercy killings" of the sick and elderly start becoming routine even if that requires our going to jail in order to voice our public opposition to the institutionalization of ritual cruelty in American life. If this woman is killed by neglect and Jeb hasn't done squat, he has a lot to answer for as a Catholic.

These fake "social" Catholics found among some of the supposedly "conservative" Novus Ordo converts are a tiresome display of decorative cultural religion lacking the essential substantive content. Active theological and moral virtues are REQUIRED of sincere Catholics. Where they are absent, the faith, humanity, and civilization suffer.

The last thing we need are more fake Catholic "wusses" littering the landscape of the great "renewal" going on out there. [irony] Let's see just one REAL CATHOLIC among the political conservatives demonstrate some heroic virtue and heroic sanctity here. Unless they've all sold their souls to the campy banal secret societies for golf club memberships...how...grotesquely silly...

"Et tu, Jebbe?"

[PrepareToLeave]

"decorative curltural religion" nails it. WIDE IS THE PATH TO DESTRUCTION. Few are finding the narrow road as Jesus predicted. God help the Pharisees whatever title they wear, be it father, pastor, etc. The title means nothing.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Obviously I don't know Jeb's heart or that he is in fact a "wuss" fallen prey to the fake social games of "decorative cultural religion" like some of the other fake social Catholics you do actually find among allegedly politically conservative converts in the quiche/white wine circuit. He DOES have a MORAL DUTY as a Catholic to DEFEND LIFE. And that means not sitting on your butt and remaining silent like some wuss bishop worried about perv scandals distracting from the catered buffet dining schedule.
Please, folks, only REAL CATHOLICS need apply. If you are a "Sunday only" nambypamby type, the Church doesn't need that kind of spiritual and moral lethargy in this new dark age of the culture of death.

[traditionalist]

Yet another rancid fruit of collegiality.

[sinkspur]

The accusations of murder, conspiracy and so forth make it difficult for someone without much understanding of the issues in this tragic situation to come to an informed opinion.

Zealots do more harm than good.

[PrepareToLeave]

Point well taken. I guess what I was trying to say is that it is the responsibility and moral duty of all Christians to defend life, for in doing so, you also defend God's law. This is a terrible time of testing for us, whether Catholic or protestant. The decisions we make now may be easier than the ones to come. We'd better take note and start acting our faith. No more just sitting in the pew, we are after all an army and must fight the good fight. The opportunities to engage are all around us.

[sinkspur]

So now it's the Pope's fault??

The Pope, the local bishop, the President, the Governor....even YOU, Mo1, are to blame.

Oh, and me, of course.

[traditionalist]

Maybe it's true that they can't _order_ Lynch to do anything,

Of course the pope can ORDER Lynch to do something. He's the Vicar of Christ for crying out loud! The pope has the authority to order the bishops to do anything he wants (provided it conforms to the natural law). He has the authority to depose bishops who refuse to obey his orders.

[traditionalist]

It is the bishop's responsibility to deal with this, not the Pope's.

But it's the pope's responsibility to see to it that the bishop fullfills his responsibilities and to step in when the bishop shirks his duty.

[sinkspur]

But it's the pope's responsibility to see to it that the bishop fullfills his responsibilities and to step in when the bishop shirks his duty.

Well, then, get thee to a seminary, get ordained, suck up the hierarchical ladder, and you can show us all how it's done.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

A tad more at stake than the symbolic Ten Commandments on the wall, shall we say? Are we now at the point where the sick, crippled, disabled, and paralyzed will all be starved to death if a spouse or relative gets tired of the bills?
Conservatives can't claim "traditional values" and conversions of the heart before elections and then abandon them when grave matter is really at stake.
What did W, say..."What would Jesus do?" If the Bushies followed through there we would have far fewer problems in the modern American secular humanist wasteland. And there would be no reelection doubts. You would have the revival of Western Christian civilization in America as a model for the world.

[Mo1]

Yes, I've noticed that everyone but her POS Husband and Judge Geer are being blamed and attack

[traditionalist]

They have obviously written off the American hierarchy as disobedient apostates. Rightly so.

Then they have a responsibility to replace the hierarchy with upright men. Instead, they choose to leave the sheep in the care of the wolves. The Pope and the Curia will answer before God for their grave negligence.