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Is Church Apostasy the Cause of Terri Schiavo's Plight? "Bye Bye...No more discussion on this.."
Catholic Media Coalition/ CATHOLIC CITIZENS OF ILLINOIS ^ | Barb Kralis

Posted on 10/17/2003 5:07:28 PM PDT by ckca

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To: mdmathis6
...can you say if you've ever encountered God personally?

Yes, I do every Sunday at Mass, when I accept the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Our Lord under the appearance of bread in the Holy Eucharist. If you mean have I met him in a charismatic, arm-waving "Alleluia" assembly where I weepingly approach the stage to "accept Jesus," no, I have not.

I never accused you of attacking Catholicism, either. I said you were ignorant of what it teaches. If you wish to be more convincing in conveying your faith (which is not "ours," merely yours), try answering the following two questions:

1. If you and another "spirit filled believer" disagree on a passage of Scripture, who is right? To what authority do you turn to in order to resolve the conflict?

2. If you and another "spirit filled believer" disagree on a matter of faith or morals, who is right? If you believe in absolute truth and that God is Truth, then how do you say you are both "inspired" when you come to divergent conclusions?

Usually when these questions are posed to protestants, they merely dodge them and ramble on about being "united in spirit," et cetera. I would like your direct response.

141 posted on 10/20/2003 4:32:20 PM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: Fifthmark
The Apostle Paul adressed that question regarding disagreements regarding traditions and feasts and special days...stating they become a matter of faith and conscience.
A man was to live by faith. One man was allowed to esteem one day higher than another one, but both were to be convinced in their own conscience that the day they were esteeming was the correct one...for them! For each man not to live according to his conscience "was sin" for each of them. The important thing was that both were to agree in faith that Jesus Christ was Lord and was their personal savior. "All things are lawful..but not all things are not expedient" stated Paul. Paul noted that those Christians who subscribed to a more structured notion of faith, such as feasts, special days, and rituals were "weaker" in faith than those who held less attachment for them, for those "stronger" in faith understood the ultimate fullfillment of the Law was in Jesus himself. This did not mean that those "stronger" were to live an immoral life. On the contrary...those who have Christ must live as Christ himself lived. The problem is that such a spirit filled life can reveal to the individual the imperfections and inconsistencies of the human run churches...hence Christ's own conflicts with the established religionists of his day.

The "strong" in faith were to recognize the needs of the "weak" in faith..and not cause those souls to "stumble".
All were "to be convinced" in their own minds.

I am glad that God meets your needs through your church. He is ever gracious and will meet his children where they need to be met...Praise God for his son who humbled himself unto death, so that we might have life if we should only believe!
142 posted on 10/21/2003 4:19:23 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: nmh
Their eyes are no longer blinded.

No, they're delightedly eating up that gorgeous vision of the angel of light.

The Bible you claim to believe promises a great apostasy at the end of time, not a great return to faithfulness. You're watching that great apostasy, revelling in it, and profiting by it. Whose side do you think that puts you on?

143 posted on 10/21/2003 6:18:25 PM PDT by Campion
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To: mdmathis6
Indeed, those who have HIS SPIRIT in them belong to HIS CHURCH...

That's strange, because Jesus described his Church as having both wheat and tares, right up until the end of time. Maybe the "He" you have in mind is some other Jesus, preaching some other Gospel.

144 posted on 10/21/2003 6:22:00 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
"The Bible you claim to believe promises a great apostasy at the end of time, not a great return to faithfulness. You're watching that great apostasy, revelling in it, and profiting by it. Whose side do you think that puts you on?"

Odd how even JP, your pope believes the same as I. He also sees the signs, and the state of society as well as churches. It's all in prophecy. Why do you think this gnetleman selected 31 new cardinals for the Catholic church - there is a prophecy that he is concerned about that deals specifically with your church. Do some research.

Me "revelling in it" and "profiting in it"? How's that? I think you may want to think through whose side you are on.

145 posted on 10/21/2003 8:40:53 PM PDT by nmh
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To: Campion
And you are in the position to define "Tares"?

Look what is the Gospel of Jesus Christ?...the simplest defintion is found in John 3:16. "For God so loved the World, that he gave his only begotten son, that who-soever believes in him, shall not perish but have eternal life,"

If you know some other Gospel that is the truth other than the above, than you are right, I never heard it!

It seems to me that any denomination whose corner stone principles lie in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the sins of Man-kind, who preach the regeneration of men by the indwelling of God's holy spirit, who preach Baptism and Salvation by faith,who preach repentance and Godly living, who continue to stand against the worldly drift into Godless immorality are those denominations in which the "wheats" have a safe store house!

Remember the rest of the Parable, that the Tares would be allowed to grow with the wheat until the harvest, when the tares would be separated from the wheat, and burned. Each denomination has its tares, Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox,....don't you fear none; God has the wisdom to ferret them out...not you or I!

146 posted on 10/22/2003 2:06:02 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: traditionalist
BTT!!!
147 posted on 12/27/2003 9:35:58 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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