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To: VadeRetro
Evos say that apes and we share a common ancestor? True or false? Through mutations over time man evolved upward from ape-like to man. At some point a radical enough change occurred that he was fully man (unless you just consider all men part apes). He had to have a mate. Unless a suitable female evolved exactly the same way he did, she still had part ape in her. If she did evolve exactly the way he did, why? Each person's genetics are different. A child can inherit a parent's gene, but to have a husband and wife arriving at that same point of fully human at the exact same time seems a little odd. Of course, having an ape turn, over time and mutation, into a higher form of species, namely man, is a bit odd too.
2,021 posted on 08/21/2003 6:33:13 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: DittoJed2
At some point a radical enough change occurred that he was fully man (unless you just consider all men part apes). He had to have a mate.

It's all gradual, all the way. A whole population evolves. They never lose compatibility with each other. You are making gruesomely naive errors here. Gruesomely naive.

2,031 posted on 08/21/2003 7:05:52 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: DittoJed2
Evos say that apes and we share a common ancestor? True or false? Through mutations over time man evolved upward from ape-like to man. At some point a radical enough change occurred that he was fully man (unless you just consider all men part apes). He had to have a mate. Unless a suitable female evolved exactly the same way he did, she still had part ape in her. If she did evolve exactly the way he did, why? Each person's genetics are different. A child can inherit a parent's gene, but to have a husband and wife arriving at that same point of fully human at the exact same time seems a little odd. Of course, having an ape turn, over time and mutation, into a higher form of species, namely man, is a bit odd too.

Now here is your misconception: there is no such thing as "fully human" or "fully ape". There is no guarantee that we (or they) will remain what we consider at the moment to be "fully human" resp. "fully ape".
Somehow you seem to think that there is a predetermined goal towards which a population must evolve.

You can imagine such a population as a cloud that moves in a certain direction (determined by external influences). Within this "cloud" every individual is compatible with the rest so every male and female can have offspring.

Now at some point this "cloud" splits up and the two halves drift apart. But the more they depart from each other the harder it is for an indivdual from one "cloud" to produce offspring with an other individual from the other "cloud". Of course within each "cloud" males and females are still able to have viable and fertile offspring together.

A good example of two such "clouds" that have separated only recently are donkeys and horses: they can produce viable but infertile offspring.
An other example where these the two "clouds" moved even further appart is the camel and the llama: here you have to use artificial insemination to get any offspring.

2,041 posted on 08/21/2003 7:34:47 PM PDT by BMCDA
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