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Germany Seethes Over Rumsfeld Jibe, Protests Planned
Reuters | 2/07/03

Posted on 02/07/2003 5:32:54 AM PST by kattracks

Feb. 7

— MUNICH, Germany (Reuters) - Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld faces a hostile reception on Friday from German politicians and peace activists over his remark that the country's anti-war stance put it on a par with Libya and Cuba.

Rumsfeld was due to address an annual security conference in the southern German city of Munich on Saturday and was expected to argue that allowing more time for weapons inspections in Iraq makes sense only if Iraq cooperates with the United Nations.

Mass protests are planned in Munich on Friday and at the weekend against the security conference, Rumsfeld's visit and the threat of war in the Gulf, with police warning of possible violence. Some 3,500 officers are on duty to try keep the peace.

Rumsfeld's comments on Wednesday putting Germany in the same category as Libya and Cuba as states that would not be helpful in any international effort to overthrow Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein have infuriated many, putting new pressure on already strained transatlantic ties.

"These comments of Rumsfeld should help bring more people out onto the street," said Raied Naieem, a member of the anti-globalization group Attac that is organizing the protests. Rumsfeld is due to fly onto Germany from Italy later on Friday.

Rumsfeld's comments, which came just weeks after he riled France and Germany by labeling them "Old Europe" for their reticence over military action, angered many politicians too.

Karsten Voigt, the German government's top adviser on U.S. relations, said Rumsfeld was forgetting that Germany was deeply engaged in peacekeeping missions in the Balkans and Afghanistan.

"Whoever fails to mention that publicly, is making a political mistake, I think," he told Bayerischen Rundfunk radio.

While Germany has ruled out involvement in any military strike on Iraq, it has pledged fly-over rights and freedom of movement for the some 70,000 U.S. forces based in the country and German troops are helping to guard U.S. bases.

TIES STRAINED

In a separate interview with DeutschlandRadio, Voigt said: "It is not wise to so frivolously endanger a partnership, which is of high significance for us and the Americans, through negligent comments."

Klaus Naumann, former chaiman of NATO's military committee, said however justified U.S. criticism might be of Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's opposition to a war with Iraq, Rumsfeld's comments were no way to treat a loyal ally.

"Germany is and remains a reliable alliance partner," he told ZDF television. "That's not the way to treat partners.

Schroeder, whose anti-war stance is popular in a country still haunted by World War II and was credited with helping him win a second term last year, has come under increasing pressure to soften his position or risk isolation if Washington eventually wins over other skeptical allies like France.

Richard Perle, a senior adviser to the Defense Department, blamed his center-left government for the relationship between Berlin and Washington reaching such a low.

"After the way the current government has treated the United States, repairing the damage in the near future is unlikely," he told the Handelsblatt business daily. "With a new government that would certainly be possible."

Germany, which holds the presidency of the 15-member U.N. Security Council, along with veto-wielding members France, Russia and China want inspectors to have more time to find out whether Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction.

As he arrived in Rome for talks on Friday, Rumsfeld insisted there would be "no hard sell" directed at France or Germany.

"They are going to make up their own minds and they have. Germany certainly has. I would assume they would stick with it. I just don't know. I don't know what France will do," he said.

He said the number of U.S. troops in Germany could be reduced under a study of U.S. basing needs that has been underway for two years, but gave no hint decisions were close.



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1 posted on 02/07/2003 5:32:54 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Who cares?
2 posted on 02/07/2003 5:35:07 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: kattracks
Rummy is a big boy, so he ought to be able to take the criticism for his remarks.
3 posted on 02/07/2003 5:35:33 AM PST by wimpycat (US: Masters of our Domain...France: Morally bankrupt "old Europe")
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Awwww, a member of the Axis of Weasels got its widdle feelings hurt...? Let me break out my violin...
5 posted on 02/07/2003 5:38:04 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: kattracks
This should read:

Klaus Naumann, former chaiman of NATO's military committee, said however justified German criticism might be of President George W. Bush's stance on a war with Iraq, [Fischer's:Schröder's:etc..] comments were no way to treat a loyal ally. "The USA is and remains a reliable alliance partner," he told ZDF television. "That's not the way to treat partners.

6 posted on 02/07/2003 5:38:05 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate
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To: kattracks
Maybe I am not mainstream, but I like the guy very much for his humor among other things. Besides that, he did not exactly compare Germany to Cuba and Lybia, he just said these were the three countries not wanting to deal in any way with the Iraki problem. The Germans must have a load of guilt to react like they do. Keep going Mr. Rumsfeld, nice job.
7 posted on 02/07/2003 5:40:15 AM PST by ch.man
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..on a par with Libya and Cuba.

Who cares indeed!
The statement is actually an insult to Cuba.

8 posted on 02/07/2003 5:40:53 AM PST by evad
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To: kattracks
Hmmm .. Rumsfeld and the US military versus all the Germans ....

Think I'll bet on Rumsfeld.

9 posted on 02/07/2003 5:41:11 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: Centurion2000
With or without the military :)
10 posted on 02/07/2003 5:42:17 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: kattracks
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld faces a hostile reception on Friday from German politicians and peace activists

I just can't picture SecDef Rummy losing any sleep over what the Germocrats think.

As he said later he was simply pointing out that the current German leadership ran for office on a platform of ignoring Iraq.

11 posted on 02/07/2003 5:44:48 AM PST by JimVT
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To: kattracks
I love Rummy! ;-)
12 posted on 02/07/2003 5:45:12 AM PST by Snowy (Tick off a lib -> Work hard, earn lots of money, and be happy)
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To: kattracks
As far as I'm concerned, the Germans are no different than the Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys. They're mad because Rummy called them for what they are. Who the H*ll cares......
13 posted on 02/07/2003 5:46:44 AM PST by RooRoobird14
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To: kattracks
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Eh...

They protest in Cuba...so what?

They protest in Lybia...so what?

Yea....Now they protest in Germany...So WHAT?


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14 posted on 02/07/2003 5:50:43 AM PST by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: mewzilla
They're just not used to hearing anyone in the government stand up for the US after the last 8 years.

Too bad!

15 posted on 02/07/2003 5:51:33 AM PST by kattracks
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To: An.American.Expatriate
I like Naumann. And he expresses what all of us think.
We´re NOT COMPARABLE to US ENEMIES. Rumsfelds words were criticized by politicians from all parties.
17 posted on 02/07/2003 5:53:07 AM PST by Michael81Dus (You have (had) G. Bush, J. Cash, B. Hope & S. Wonder - we have Schröder: no cash, no hope, no wonder)
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To: ch.man
Those three, Lybia, Cuba and Germany WERE the three countries that said they refused to help the US (PERIOD) in the Iraq war. Truth, not an unfounded dig. Shroeder chose to run for office on his anti-American stance, now, he can eat those little balls of self immolation.

Rummy is my hero, tells it like it is, and will be remembered for his straight talk, like it or not.
18 posted on 02/07/2003 5:53:35 AM PST by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: evad
"the statement is an insult to Cuba."

Excellent point! At least Castro and his followers have a belief and a cause. Nutty as it seems I prefer dealing with unreconstructed Marxists than with this modern, valueless Europe. It's unfathomable that the culture that gave the world Notre Dame and Chartes, Beethoven and Mozart,Beowulf and Les Miserables should today be so empty of content that their currency portrays imaginary buildings and landscapes.Their leaders see nothing beyond trade agreements.Their people see nothing for which sacrifice is worthwhile.

19 posted on 02/07/2003 5:54:34 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: Take Some Responsibility
And your words from a people that had lied ("I had no sexual relationsship with Ms Lewinsky!")!
Now, think again about blaming a people for the words from single persons.
20 posted on 02/07/2003 5:54:45 AM PST by Michael81Dus (You have (had) G. Bush, J. Cash, B. Hope & S. Wonder - we have Schröder: no cash, no hope, no wonder)
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