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Israel: Sensation or forgery? Researchers hail dramatic First Temple period finding
Ha'aretz ^ | Nadav Shragai

Posted on 01/13/2003 9:05:23 AM PST by HAL9000

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1 posted on 01/13/2003 9:05:24 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
According to Dr. Barkai, such a finding, which appears to furnish proof of the existence of the Temple, must be made available for examination by scholars, and can not be kept a virtual secret.

Any bets on whether a more open discussion of Temple Mount archaeology would cause the salamikazes to work even harder at destroying artifacts such as these?

2 posted on 01/13/2003 9:08:09 AM PST by r9etb
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To: blam
Ping
3 posted on 01/13/2003 9:11:38 AM PST by Diana Rose (4GOT10)
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To: HAL9000
Apart from noting that the discovery was made in Jerusalem, the researchers do not disclose where the inscription was found. But sources have indicated that the writing surfaced in the Temple Mount area as a result of widescale excavation work done in recent years in the area by Muslims, and that Palestinians relayed the fragment to a major collector of antiquities in Jerusalem.

Tons and tons of ancient rubble is being carted out from under the Temple by Muslims, and most of it is being destroyed. They've taken so much out that there's a crack in the side wall and some danger that the Dome of the Rock mosque will collapse.

This is typical Muslim behavior. Over the centuries they have obliterated millions of churches, monuments, and graves in order to destroy all evidence of other religions.

The Labour government under Ehud Barak let them get away with this, and Sharon hasn't done anything to stop it. It's a crime of the highest order. And the whole world is complicit because no one dares step in front of the Muslim juggernaut and tell them that what they are doing must be stopped.

Obviously this fragment would have disappeared with all the rest of one of the workers hadn't let his greed get the better of his religious zeal.

4 posted on 01/13/2003 9:18:58 AM PST by Cicero
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To: r9etb
They are only interested in selling, not politics.

I had a very memorable experience with these traders when I was in Jerusalem on a fulbright in 1983. I discovered an unpublished early christian ivory reliquary for sale in an antiquities shop in Tel Aviv. later a Palestinian friend took me to see a very tall Bedouin, dressed in black from head to toe. It was very secret with a trip through the backstreets of the Old City. He revealed the provenance of this to me, as a favor to my friend. That means that he told me where it came from.

Provenance is very important in establishing the intellectual and monetary worth of something. This black market in antiquities is illegal, but it is profitable. The practitioners are nomads, not nationalists. They deny the power of states and realtors to restrict their movements.

5 posted on 01/13/2003 9:23:50 AM PST by ClaireSolt
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To: HAL9000
It's inconceivable that such extensive testing would fail to reveal a forgery, they said.

Inconceivable!

6 posted on 01/13/2003 9:24:25 AM PST by Notforprophet (All rights reversed)
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To: HAL9000
It would be a first-of-its kind piece of physical evidence describing events in a manner that adheres to the narrative in the Bible. According to Dr. Barkai, such a finding, which appears to furnish proof of the existence of the Temple, must be made available for examination by scholars, and can not be kept a virtual secret.

Hmmm....

One exciting discovery was the “Water Gate” which is mentioned by Nehemiah, “And the temple servants living in Ophel, repaired to the place opposite the Water Gate towards the east, and the projecting tower” (Nehemiah 3:26). The gate discovered was typical of the period and was made up of three parts: the tower, the internal and the external gatehouse. Archaeologists calculated the date of construction as being during the tenth century BCE and that these were part of the walls of Jerusalem built by King Solomon.

Also discovered was the great projecting tower, “After them the Tekoites repaired another section, opposite the great projecting tower, as far as the wall of Ophel” (Nehemiah 3:27). Built of large hewn stones, the tower was added to the tower of the Water Gate, perhaps by King Uzziah.

First Temple Period Archeological Discoveries South of the Temple Mount

7 posted on 01/13/2003 9:27:08 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: HAL9000
The inscription contains fragments from 2 Kings 12:15: "And they did not ask an accounting from the men into whose hands they delivered the money to pay out to the workmen; for they dealt honestly."

I guess this was long before government corruption came to be a problem.
8 posted on 01/13/2003 9:28:13 AM PST by LarryM
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To: HAL9000
Apparently someone has taken an interest in what the muslims have been pulling out of there. Makes you wonder what else might be in the piles of debris that have been taken from the Mount. I wonder if this is the most readily defended geography in the area, in which case there may be artifacts dating to Abraham or earlier. There are millions of people who have a religious, cultural, of historical interest in what might be there, it belongs to future generations as well. I hope this prompts a closer monitoring of the excavations by the Israelis
9 posted on 01/13/2003 9:34:26 AM PST by concentric circles
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10 posted on 01/13/2003 9:41:03 AM PST by concentric circles
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To: Vic3O3
Ping!
11 posted on 01/13/2003 9:46:38 AM PST by dd5339
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To: ClaireSolt
A great story! Sounds like this inscription followed a similar route.

My comment was more directed toward this statement: The inscription is authentic, they insisted, and the finding is an archaeological sensation that could have global repercussions and that effectively vindicates Jewish claims to the Temple Mount.

That has obvious nationalist implications.

12 posted on 01/13/2003 10:00:50 AM PST by r9etb
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To: HAL9000
But sources have indicated that the writing surfaced in the Temple Mount area as a result of widescale excavation work done in recent years in the area by Muslims, and that Palestinians relayed the fragment to a major collector of antiquities in Jerusalem.

Thank goodness that worker's greed led him to steal that piece and sell it. Unfortunately, as news of this find spreads, the muslims will clamp down even harder on their operations to eradicate Jewish archaeological evidence from the temple mount. Even more curtains will go up, the workers will be searched for pebbles as if they worked in a diamond mine, and they will become even more reckless in their rush to commit archaeological genocide.

13 posted on 01/13/2003 10:02:56 AM PST by thatdewd
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"...who ruled in Jerusalem at the end of the ninth century BCE."

Pet peeve: I'm sick and tired of people plagarizing the Christian calendar. There is no other rationale for calling that period "the ninth century" other than the fact that it is 9 centuries BC on the Christian calendar. Using the calendar, while inventing phoney changes to render it "multi-cultural" is a form of plagarism (ie: using someone else's work while refusing to credit them for it). Why does Ha'aretz find the Christian calendar so repugnant? If they find it as such, why not just use another calendar system instead of this dishonest use of ours?

14 posted on 01/13/2003 10:10:48 AM PST by quebecois
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15 posted on 01/13/2003 10:13:03 AM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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To: quebecois
Why does Ha'aretz find the Christian calendar so repugnant? If they find it as such, why not just use another calendar system instead of this dishonest use of ours?

Maybe because they are not Christian? Wow! What a freakin' concept! I bet you also freak when people type G-d instead of fully spelling it too.

Many scientists also use Before Common Era and Common Era. And, if they did use a different calendar system, would you complain about that too?

16 posted on 01/13/2003 10:15:06 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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Just because they are not christian does not give them the right to plagarize. If they don't want to use the christian calendar, fine. Use the chinese, or hebrew, or islamic one. But what they've done is continue to use our calendar, but phoney up the system.

Now, you tell me, why do they use "BCE" instead of "BC"?

I can only speak for myself in saying that if I did use another religion or culture's calendar, I would certainly credit them for it. To do otherwise is dishonest and arrogant.

17 posted on 01/13/2003 10:28:43 AM PST by quebecois
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To: Notforprophet
Inconcieveable!
18 posted on 01/13/2003 10:32:27 AM PST by weikel (Mercy to the Guilty is Cruelty to the Innocent)
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To: quebecois
The use of BCE and CE are intended to not have a religious meaning tacked on to a date. If I say, 466 BCE, I am trying to give you a date in a calendar system you are familiar with, but not assume you follow Christianity.
19 posted on 01/13/2003 10:46:14 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: weikel
LOL - I wondered who would pick up on that.
20 posted on 01/13/2003 10:51:22 AM PST by Notforprophet (All rights reversed)
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