Turning a Corner?-Lott Supporters Now Say They Are 'Approaching' 26 GOP Votes for Lott

National Review Magazine ^ | December 19, 2002 | Byorn York

[ApesForEvolution]

"We just do not want a pro affirmative action, pro nanny government person to be leader and spokesman for us. Lott morphed into those things on BET"

Lott, like water, simply seeped like water to his lowest possible point. Predictable of a man with no core beliefs....

[Bluntpoint]

"What freeper has said Thurmond and Lott need to resign by the way? We just do not want a pro affirmative action, pro nanny government person to be leader and spokesman for us. Lott morphed into those things on BET."

Read Mr. Flat Earth's comments. Apparently he feels that by he asking the question it magically becomes the statement of his projection.

[sinkspur]

You are really making an ass of yourself.

That, or you're intoxicated.

You're getting your wish. If you cannot be gracious, then STFU!

[Bluntpoint]

He asks a questions and then makes the object of his question, somehow, my statement.

I am not going to play his game of bait and switch. Read my posts to this jackal this entire thread. His responses could not have been more intellectually dishonest.

Now I must take a shower.

Have a great evening.

[#3Fan]

I still don't see where a freeper has called for Lott to resign from the Senate. Maybe one has, but I haven't seen it yet.

When I saw your post, I got the impression that you were exaggerating our position. I haven't read the whole thread, so if you can point me to the post where a freeper called for Lott's resignation, that will end this. It's no big deal to me, I just want you to show me where exactly where the calls for Senator's resignations are at over this.

[#3Fan]

Thanks. That's the one good thing about the liberal media, it keeps our herd thinned and lean. We don't get stuck with loudmouth criminal dinosaurs like Kennedy, the Clintons, Byrd, etc.

[#3Fan]

Lott, like water, simply seeped like water to his lowest possible point. Predictable of a man with no core beliefs....

I've never been a Lott basher because I know that Senate majority leader is the toughest high ranking job in Washington and so I always gave him the benefit of the doubt. But when he called himself an immoral leader and said he was willing to give away the Republican farm on BET, there's no way we can keep him as our leader and spokesman. If we get Frist in there, I think Chafee will stay and we can still get some constitutional judges through. We can't with Lott, I don't think.

[#3Fan]

Read Mr. Flat Earth's comments. Apparently he feels that by he asking the question it magically becomes the statement of his projection.

I can't imagine anyone wanting a Dem Senate over this. LOL

[jwalsh07]

Actually McConnell is being intellectual dishonest comparing Lott and Byrds comments. Byrd was basically saying there are good whites and blacks and bad ones. Unlike Lott Byrd was not reminicing about good ole days.

Story from Drudge below:


Byrd, who early in his career was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, used the term on FOX NEWS SUNDAY when asked about the state of race relations in America by host Tony Snow.

"They are much, much better than they've ever been in my lifetime," Byrd said. "I think we talk about race too much. I think those problems are largely behind us... I just think we talk so much about it that we help to create somewhat of an illusion. I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that." Then Byrd warned: "There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time; I'm going to use that word.

"We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much."



19 posted on 12/18/2002 9:48 AM EST by Bluntpoint

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Mr Bluntpoint was arguing on one thread that Byrd's comments were not the equal of Lott's and did not require him to step down.

On another thread Mr Bluntpoint implies that outside this forum he had lobbied for the removal of Strom Thurmond.

I'm simply asking why. He didn't answer last night and he took a pass tonight.

Wonder why?

[jwalsh07]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/808570/posts?q=1&&page=1

[jwalsh07]

Lott lost my support after his groveling.

If I was voting I would vote for Frist.

[jwalsh07]

It looks like I may have to eat those words. Start the grill.

[rintense]

Ok, I think that many who want Lott gone wanted him gone before his stupid remarks. What happened is only another stick to beat him. So the question is, how many of those who want Lott gone now were supporters of him before? I'm willing to bet that the majority disliked him and have referred to him as 'spineless' several times. How about you?

I supported him and accepted his apology. He is not a racist and his actions, as a Senator and Majority Leader, don't show any pattern of racism. Lott lost my support when he appeared on BET and made a complete ass of himself. He lost my support then, and has lost it for Majority Leader now.

Do I think he's a racist? No.

Do I think he's should be Majority Leader? Probably not. But if he isn't voted out, I'm not going to bitch about it, because this has gone beyond Lott's remarks into forbidden territory that Republicans haven't wanted to traverse. The time is now to do so. This is about the politics of racism.

My biggest problem with all this from day one has been how quickly many Republicans left Lott out to dry, mainly I suspect because no one wants to be associated with the word racist. Would you? But when you look back, his remarks could have been interpreted many, MANY different ways. Should he have clarified what he meant? Yep. Should he have apologized right away? You betcha. But if you think with Lott gone, the stereotype of Republicans as racists will go away, you are very mistaken. It won't go away until each and every single Republican fights against it- including Trent Lott.

If you think Lott is a fool, weak leader, etc., I suspect there is nothing he can do to ever change that. But be prepared for the reality that he may remain Majority Leader. And get ready to fight a battle against the racist stereotype that should have been fought years ago.

I’m ready to fight. Are you?

[rintense]

Please see my reply for clarification.

Even if Lott leaves altogether, the accusations against the Republican Party will not go away. The media and the left will just look for another victim. And either we as Republicans continue to walk on pins and needles wondering if everything we say will be misinterpreted, or we stand up, untied as a party, against this crap.

[beckett]

well then... I guess I got it right.

Got it right? Hardly! In fact every single lame speculation you have made about my politics is 100% wrong. I am a cradle Republican. I support Bush. I support NAFTA. I loathe Buchanan and the Buchananite wing of the party. I am a free market globalist with the caveat that slow and carefully staged progress must be expected on that front.

I support small gov't, maximum liberty for all, personal accountability, the rule of law and a strong defense. Nothing new --- I have always supported these things.

I notice you neglected to deal with my absolutely accurate criticism that Lott's asinine crack could only have come from a Yellow Dog Democrat in Republican clothing, not a true Republican.

[#3Fan]

Well, I still don't see where a freeper has called for Lott to resign from the Senate over this but thanks for posting the comments and links. We don't want the Senate to go to the Dems for this, we just want a new spokesperson and leader for the Republicans in the Senate. Like I said, the Dems can afford to have idiot leaders like Daschle, we can't. And Lott made it clear on BET that he has officially changed his stance to become liberal and not support conservative stands on Affirmative Action and nanny government. Lott has to go from the leadership.

[#3Fan]

Lott lost my support after his groveling. If I was voting I would vote for Frist.

I think Frist can save this Senate.

[ApesForEvolution]

"Thanks. That's the one good thing about the liberal media, it keeps our herd thinned and lean. We don't get stuck with loudmouth criminal dinosaurs like Kennedy, the Clintons, Byrd, etc."

Good point. Very good point. It's easier to lead people to a higher place being a resident there yourself.

My Papa taught me as a very little boy:

"Put your hand on mine. Someday, your hand is going to be as big as mine (he was a 'giant' for those days).

And, along that road, many things will happen. Son, it's not what happens along that road that matters....what you do when it happens is what counts."



That was wisdom to a little boy. Just look at the old RATS in the neo-communist American party of the left. Makes you wonder what they were told growing up...if anything.

[TLBSHOW]

For conservatives it is never about big government over even bigger government, or even about small government over gigantic government. The fight is always to keep central government in its place. The people are the rulers and the government is the servant. It is that simple.

Realize this, the Republicans are part of the government, and as with the other half of that governmental equation, the Democrats, they should be approached cautiously. The object then of conservative participation is not to protect one half of the governmental equation, but to protect We the People.

With that understanding, perhaps it is the perception of President Bush as a fellow conservative and philosophical soul mate that stirs many Bush apologists to his defense. After all George Will has written that President George W. Bush is the greatest conservative President since Ronald Reagan. And as much concern as that should give to conservatives about the Republican Party itself, why is that perception accepted as reality?

A reality check gives a very different picture. A picture of a President without a philosophical center, and one who engages in set piece political thinking planned far in advance of real events, with political considerations the only goals. It is time for the Bush apologists to recognize their mistake and to stop making self-defeating arguments in the Presidents defense.

http://theterryandersonshow.com/GUEST_COLUMNS/AmericanReformation.htm

[ApesForEvolution]

"It looks like I may have to eat those words. Start the grill."

Exactly what words? (:o

John, regardless of what Sink says about you, you are still an excellent man! LOL!

I hope we can FReep some RATS together some time...and you're always welcome to come out skiing whenver it can be arranged!