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ChiCom General "Nuke the US" Xiong here for US-China "Defense Talks" - Full Court Press Over Iraq
Xinhua, Japan Economic News, AFP | 12-7-02

Posted on 12/07/2002 7:59:18 AM PST by tallhappy

BBC Monitoring International Reports

December 6, 2002

LENGTH: 171 words

HEADLINE: CHINA'S XIONG GUANGKAI LEADS MILITARY DELEGATION TO USA

BODY:

(New China News Agency)

Beijing, 6 December: Xiong Guangkai, deputy chief of general staff of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA), led a delegation to head for the United States Thursday 5 December afternoon.

Xiong is to hold the fifth China-US consultations on defence at vice-defence ministerial level at the invitation of the US Department of Defence. During Chinese President Jiang Zemin's US tour last October, China and the United States agreed to resume military communication, including the defence consultations at vice-defence ministerial level and other programmes.

The two sides of the consultations are expected to exchange views on international and regional security issues and topics of common interest, as well as relations between the two countries and the two armed forces.

Zhan Maohai, director of the Foreign Affairs Office of Chinese Defence Ministry, accompanied Xiong to the US.

Source: Xinhua news agency, Beijing, in English 0859 gmt 6 Dec 02

/) BBC Monitoring

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Japan Economic Newswire

December 6, 2002 Friday

SECTION: INTERNATIONAL NEWS

LENGTH: 125 words

HEADLINE: U.S., China to hold defense talks Mon.

DATELINE: WASHINGTON, Dec. 6

BODY: The United States and China will hold defense talks Monday at the Pentagon to discuss issues, including regional security, terrorism and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, the U.S. Defense Department said Friday.

The upcoming meeting of senior defense officials of the two countries will be the first of its kind since the April 2001 collision of a U.S. spy plane and a Chinese fighter jet over the South China Sea. Discussions at the meeting are expected to focus on North Korea's nuclear weapons program as well as policy on Iraq.

Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith will host the meeting, with the Chinese delegation led by Xiong Guangkai, deputy chief of the general staff of the People's Liberation Army.

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Agence France Presse

December 5, 2002 Thursday

SECTION: International News

LENGTH: 495 words

HEADLINE: US preparing full court press on China over Iraq

DATELINE: BEIJING, Dec 5

BODY: China and the United States were gearing up for a series of high-level meetings to largely focus on US war plans with Iraq, but also touching on human rights, officials said Thursday.

The talks precede a visit to China by US Vice President Dick Cheney early next year and come as US-China relations are witnessing a warming trend founded on a common goal of fighting global terrorism.

Chief of the general staff of the People's Liberation Army Xiong Guangkai was to hold vice defense ministerial talks with US defense officials in Washington December 9-10, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said. "During these, the two sides will exchange opinions on regional and international matters as well as bilateral military relations and other issues of common concern," Liu said.

The talks are part of an October agreement between President Jiang Zemin and President George W. Bush to soon resume military-to-military exchanges, Liu said.

The second-ranking US diplomat, Richard Armitage, was to arrive in Beijing December 11 for two days of talks on a four-nation tour to Japan, South Korea and Australia aimed to lay out US plans on Iraq, US embassy officials here said.

"The purpose of the trip is part of our continuing consultations on Iraq with friends and allies and efforts to ensure that Iraq complies with UN Security Council resolution(s)," a US embassy spokesman told AFP.

The commander of the US Pacific Fleet, Rear Admiral Thomas Fargo, was also due to land in China December 12 for a three-day visit, the China News Service reported.

Fargo was to be the highest US military official to visit Beijing since China's shake-up of its top brass last month, which included the stepping down of vice chairmen of the powerful Central Military Commission Zhang Wannian and Chi Haotian.

Fargo is expected to meet China's newly appointed ranking military officer and CMC vice chairman General Cao Guangchun.

Chinese President Jiang is the chairman of the commission.

Both sets of talks are likely to focus on US efforts to oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and ongoing efforts in the global war on terrorism, Western diplomats in Beijing said.

The State Department's envoy for democracy and human rights Lorne Craner was also due in Beijing on December 16 for meetings with his counterpart Li Baodong to re-open a bilateral human rights dialogue last held in October 2001, Liu said.

US ambassador to China, Clark Randt, last month vowed to bring China to task over its dismal human rights record, despite the recent warming trend between Beijing and Washington.

The US diplomat also demanded substantive results from the December 16 dialogue.

"If China wants to be accepted as both a respected and responsible member of the international community, then China must abide by certain internationally-accepted forms of behavior," Randt told members of the American Chamber of Commerce in Beijing.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: chicoms; chinagate; chinesecommunists; xongguangkai
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Xiong is the General who said China would nuke the US if they wanted. He was the highest ranking officier behind the Chinagate illegal campaign contributions to Clinton.

Nothing good can come of this and the Bush administration is drifting toward the failed Clinton path in this arena. It will not help with Iraq, but will complicate things.

Here's a link to articles about Xiong including Severnside's Who Is Xiong Guangkai?

1 posted on 12/07/2002 7:59:19 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
If the USN isn't just all wet, they'd stand up and give the PLA a swift kick in the ass for screwing with that EP-3.

2 posted on 12/07/2002 8:02:23 AM PST by bonesmccoy
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From http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2002/p12062002_p189-02.html

No. 189-P
December 6, 2002



US and China to Hold Defense Consultative Talks

Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, Douglas J. Feith, will host Defense Consultative Talks with
China's People's Liberation Army in Washington on Monday, December 9, 2002.

The Chinese delegation will be led by Deputy Chief of the General Staff, Gen. Xiong Guangkai.

The purpose of the meeting is to conduct strategic level dialogue on issues of mutual concern,
including proliferation, terrorism and regional security.

Following the talks, Under Secretary Feith will conduct a media availability at 4 p.m. EST in the
DoD Briefing Room, Pentagon 2E781. Media without a Pentagon building pass must have proof of
affiliation and two forms of photo identification and should be at the River Entrance by 3:30 p.m.

3 posted on 12/07/2002 8:28:14 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
Sure wish that FreeRepublic Press pass would get here !
4 posted on 12/07/2002 8:32:15 AM PST by tet68
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To: tallhappy
I agree -- especially on Pearl Harbor Day.
5 posted on 12/07/2002 9:19:29 AM PST by Man of the Right
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To: bonesmccoy
New Submarine Deployment Sends Message
South China Morning Post | Oct. 14, 2002
Posted on 10/15/2002 9:13 AM PDT by Tai_Chung

THE US NAVY'S announcement last week that three Los Angeles-class attack submarines will be stationed on Guam slipped by without much fanfare in the regional media, but alarm bells must be ringing in Beijing.

When the USS City of Corpus Christi arrives at its new base later this month, it will mark the first time a nuclear-powered attack submarine has had a home port on the Pacific island, which is strategically located midway between Hawaii and the Philippines.

When the other boats - the USS San Francisco and another yet to be announced - arrive later this year they will be an irritating thorn in the side of China's military planners. As China improves its capabilities with modern fighter jets, ships and submarines, the US is trying to stay one step ahead by boosting its presence in the Pacific and selling arms to Taiwan. The Americans have made no secret of the fact the subs are being sent deeper into the Pacific to remind Beijing of who rules the ocean.

"The US is sending China a message, and the message is that the US navy is the most powerful navy in the Pacific and it intends to stay that way," said Phillip Saunders, director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Programme at the Monterey Institute of International Studies in California.

6 posted on 12/07/2002 9:20:49 AM PST by concentric circles
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bttt
7 posted on 12/07/2002 11:28:18 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: tallhappy
Send Gore there on a Clinton mission and this is what happens. The chicoms got all the rest of our secrets now they are done with us.
8 posted on 12/07/2002 12:39:37 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: bonesmccoy
Photo of the Chi-Com who crashed the U.S. EP-3E Orion.


Any takers on bets they got blueprints for something aka Flash Gordon lying about in Bejing.


Yes..lets hope Clinton did not give them particle accelerator technology!

9 posted on 12/07/2002 8:29:07 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: Light Speed
They might just point it the Wong Wei...
10 posted on 12/07/2002 9:36:26 PM PST by Mi26
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To: tallhappy
I am in no way a red china fan, but I would imagine at some level it is almost imperative that competing military and economic powers meet to at least work out the stuff both regard as trivial and define their respective positions. I strongly suspect that this sort of stuff went on with the USSR through the 70's and 80's.

China is going to become a tremendous economic power in the coming years and decades. While I cannot see them breaking the u.s. monopoly on strategic assets (no matter how many nuke plans they steal), they are going to be a huge force in geo-political terms.

I don't know what the right answer is. I think china is a bunch of despotic thugs trying to run a police state minus the rapidly disappearing ideology. I don't know how long they can do it; I don't like seeing u.s. multinational corporation suborning the military interests of the country in the interests of their own profits, nor do I like seeing the PRC purchase the democratic party. I also don't see that simply refusing to talk to this despotic entity solves anything.

It is very good we have an administration that has not demonstrated the willingness to bend to china on the majority of strategic questions that come up. The Later American Republic may be becoming brittle on the internal institutional side, but it has more teeth than the rest of the world combined and the interests of the world's largest companies at heart.
11 posted on 12/07/2002 9:52:21 PM PST by WoofDog123
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In Nov 2002:

the USS Constellation Carrier Battle Group went on shore -leave to Hong Kong. 8000 American servicemen spent 5 days in HK

The USS Paul Foster , a destroyer paid an official visit to the Chinese port of Qinqdao, to a welcome with bands playing,etc. The Commander of the USS Foster told reporters that the US and China's navies could co-operate to make the Pacific a safer place

After the USS Constellation left HK, a second CVG , under the USS Kitty Hawk paid a 5-day shore leave in HK< with 8000 personel going ashore

The Commander-in-chief of the US Pacific Command, Adm. Fargo, is due to visit China very soon

VP Dick Chenney is due to visit China

SEcy of Defense, Don Rumsfeld is also due to visit China

Pres GW Bush has accepted an invitation to visit China yet again. This will be his third such visits since becoming the President. His first 2 visits wrre on the Oct of 2001 and March, 2002

You are quite right to say that we just can't simply pretend that China does not exist. It is there, and we have to deal with her, one way or the other

I am proud to have voted for Pres Bush, and I will be doubly proud and honored to vote for him again. Pres Bush is proving to be a GREAT LEADER, in fact, one of the greatest president our great nation ever has
12 posted on 12/07/2002 10:11:47 PM PST by The Pheonix
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To: tallhappy
"Xiong is the General who said China would nuke the US if they wanted. He was the highest ranking officier behind the Chinagate illegal campaign contributions to Clinton."

Scr*w China - and Scr*w treasonous bastard Bill Clinton!
(oh, and thank you delusional Bill Clinton and the DNC for giving those two light-water nuclear reactors to North Korea)

13 posted on 12/07/2002 10:11:52 PM PST by WatchNKorea
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"While I cannot see them breaking the u.s. monopoly on strategic assets (no matter how many nuke plans they steal..."

Sorry WoofDog, quite incorrect. No stealing was involved in Chinagate;
treasonous bastard Bill Clinton accepted cash from John Huang, Johnny Chung
and Charlie Trie for all of our nuclear secrets.

14 posted on 12/07/2002 10:16:56 PM PST by WatchNKorea
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To: WoofDog123
(just for the record - ya know)
15 posted on 12/07/2002 10:18:28 PM PST by WatchNKorea
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To: WatchNKorea
I figured mentioning they had bought the DNC covered that known angle......etc.
16 posted on 12/07/2002 11:32:54 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: tallhappy
good thread and links

Bump

17 posted on 12/07/2002 11:45:20 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: tallhappy
Entice away the enemy's best and wisest men, so that he may be left without counselors. Introduce traitors into his country, that the government policy may be rendered futile. Foment intrigue and deceit, and thus sow dissension between the ruler and his ministers. By means of every artful contrivance, cause deterioration amongst his men and waste of his treasure. Corrupt his morals by insidious gifts leading him into excess. Disturb and unsettle his mind by presenting him with lovely women. -- Sun Tzu"
18 posted on 12/08/2002 12:59:59 AM PST by Rain-maker
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To: WoofDog123
ok
19 posted on 12/08/2002 1:22:48 AM PST by WatchNKorea
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To: Rain-maker
Good 'Ol Sun Tzu....Timeless and accurate.

Bttt.
20 posted on 12/08/2002 8:42:48 AM PST by martian_22
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