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World's Dogs Are Descended From Asian Wolves
Ananova ^
| 11-21-2002
Posted on 11/21/2002 4:27:05 PM PST by blam
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To: SAMWolf
Good read SAM thanks for the ping
To: blam
To: cmsgop
SHIH-TZU, SHIH-TZU
To: blam
Ahhoooooo! Werewolves of London!
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posted on
11/21/2002 6:59:25 PM PST
by
boris
To: rockfish59
LMAO !!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL !!!!!!!Thanks for that.....
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posted on
11/21/2002 7:03:45 PM PST
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cmsgop
To: cmsgop
UHhhhhh, you're welcome!
To: boris
And his hair is perfect!
To: cmsgop
She wants the roast. Give it to her. Go out to McDonald's for dinner.
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posted on
11/21/2002 7:07:47 PM PST
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ladylib
To: cmsgop
(Putting on flame proof suit)
A veterinarian once told me with a smile:
"If it flies when you kick it, then it's a cat."
To: rockfish59
You sneezed? God bless you.
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posted on
11/21/2002 7:09:43 PM PST
by
ladylib
To: blam
"World's Dogs Are Descended From Asian Wolves"So, hillary's not decended from monkeys afterall.
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posted on
11/21/2002 7:09:50 PM PST
by
spunkets
To: Geist Krieger
But all any dogs-wolves-Americans hear from humans is "blah, blah...blah blah blah....blah blah blah!" Hmmmmm. . . When NOW spokeswomyn make noise, all I hear is "blah blah blah blah blah white males blah blah blah blah blah rape blah blah blah blah patriarchy blah blah blah blah blah reproductive choice."
And when democrats speak it goes something like this "blah blah blah blah blah white males blah blah blah blah blah big corporations blah blah blah blah take away social security."
And when Sierra Club representatives speak . . . well, you get the picture.
Maybe we are onto big here. Maybe they are just barking and that's why their utterances seem to have no meaning! Has anyone ever run a DNA test on these folks to see if they are really human? Does X-Files know about this?
To: spunkets
Wart hog.
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posted on
11/21/2002 7:21:50 PM PST
by
ladylib
To: Steve Eisenberg
I think the known DNA sequences for wolves and dogs are virtually identical. This from about 15 years ago, when a group of scientists announced that dogs ARE wolves.
What human breeders manipulated was neotony. That is, they extended picked wolves who had an extended puppyhood. Generations of that resulted in most dogs acting like wolf puppies (not particularly agressive). Nhey never turn into adult wolves behaviorally. Then there was Cujo . . .
To: xm177e2
Or the humans would kill a wolf, and take her pups, and raise those, which would then be loyal to the humans.They might be loyal to you. But my wife sure would not trust those wolves around our toddlers, and I doubt a cave-man-made fenced pen would be strong enough to reassure her. Additionally, and please don't take this the wrong way, I think the village chieftain would side with us against you regarding the safety of raising wild animals. This is part of the line of thinking leading to the idea that early man could not really domesticate animals, so the animals had to come to man pre-domesticated. However, since neither of us was there, we certainly can't know for sure.
To: blam
The Swedish-Chinese research team said Fondue much like sweet-n-sour.
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posted on
11/21/2002 7:27:43 PM PST
by
Cvengr
To: blam
Fun times for those of us who like to read about this stuff.
About the domestication event(s) I'm sort of one the side of a single event but the evidence can run either way.
"Phylogenetic tree of dog and wolf sequences show that dog sequences cluster into four clades. This result suggests that either wolves were domesticated in several places and at different times or that there was one domestication event followed by several episodes of admixture between dogs and wolves." (Vila', Maldonado, Wayne, Phylogenetic Relationships, Evolution, and Genetic Diversity of the Domestic Dog)
"The earliest finding of dog remains a jawbone from Germany which is 14,000 years old."
Interesting that they got this wrong. Oldest identified dog remains are 14,000 to 18,000 years old from Siberia. And the oldest identified dog-like fossil is 190,000 to 130,000 BP
Anyway thanks for posting this. Now I'm really looking forward to my next issue of Science.
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posted on
11/21/2002 7:32:11 PM PST
by
Varda
To: ffrancone
What human breeders manipulated was neotony. That is, they extended picked wolves who had an extended puppyhood.Our border collie mix does not really behave like a puppy. What she does is undertake, with considerable bravado, the early part of the hunt, in which the prey, whether toddlers or gerbils, is rounded up. However, once the roundup is complete, she is blessedly innocent as to what is supposed to come next.
As to what human breeders did, is such existed there is absolutely no way to know for sure, although I have given my surmise.
To: Varda
Interesting that they got this wrong. Oldest identified dog remains are 14,000 to 18,000 years old from Siberia.What makes a dog a dog is behavior, not appearance. A dog-looking wolf or jackal is a wolf or jackal, and visa versa. You can't tell from a fossile if a creature attacked small children or befriended them. This is the type of going far beyond all evidence that should mark the so-called scientist who comes up with this stuff as a crank.
To: Steve Eisenberg
By heaping great amounts of affection on our border collies we have managed to (or they have managed to ) train them to want a major affection session each day. In this sense they are not the self sufficient scavengers who could manage a herd for weeks without human help.
They do however manage to herd anything and everything in sight.
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