Era of Big Government Has Just Begun

TechCentralStation.com ^ | 09/23/2002 | James Pinkerton

[MJY1288]

Who'd a thunk you'd fly your colors

[Chad Fairbanks]

Admitting you have a problem is the first step on the road to recovery...

[billybudd]

I'm not sure why you say this article is "vomitous" or that Pinkerton is defending criminal acts based on environmental or social conditions. Pinkerton is a conservative writer who served under the Reagan and Bush I adminstrations and contributes to Fox News. I'm also baffled as to why the quote you posted is "crap". It simply says that the media have focused mostly on the military aspect of the first strike policy and that the people support it. How is this "crap"? Pinkerton's main argument is that the war on terrorism will eventually be used to justify government growth because of the inherent bureaucratic nature of government. Every bureaucracy will want to expand their programs under the banner of the War, even though it may not have anything to do with terrorism. What do you disagree with about this point?

[Sir Gawain]

[FreedomFriend]

I don't get these people.

They're the ones supporting big government and Globalist measures, whether they deny it or not. They're doing it via Bush.

[billybudd]

Now, I know you have trouble grasping ideas because you are so in love with the use of images, but the Communist flag was directed at YOU. As in, YOU are very much like a Communist because YOU treat the slightest deviation from the Party Line as treason and suggest that it's the work of a "5th column". You also refuse to engage in debate with the author's arguments, which are reasonable and have a historical basis.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

How many Americans are you willing to sacrifice?

[billybudd]

You fulfill the tenets of your five pillars very faithfully.

[FreedomFriend]

ping

[B Knotts]

So, apparently the collected intellect of FR has decided that James Pinkerton is a fifth columnist. Wonderful. Reasonable, too.

Ugh. This place is starting to get to be a bit much.

While I might not agree with everything Mr. Pinkterton says, I know he's basically a good man, and would not toss such accusations around so casually.

[NeoCaveman]

Number Five is alive.

[FreedomFriend]

That's a ridiculous argument.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

[NeoCaveman]

How many Americans are you willing to sacrifice

That's a ridiculous argument.

I thought it an honest question, so far 3,000 how many more before we awaken from our quai-isolationist slumber and defeat our enemies.

[Wormwood]

reporting pinkerton doubleplusungood refs bush unconservative label 5column

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Is it? Seems to me there are over 3000 reasons for this emergency, and the need for means to handle it. Along with damage to our economy, and the future prosperity of the nation.

I realize that you gleefully enjoy the images of a radioactive or biotoxic pall over some of these evil cities - but those are Americans living there. I won't sacrifice them or our well being in order to satisfy your juvenile urges to live out some Postman style survivalist lifestyle.

[missileboy]

A few comments/questions to you, in the hopes you might again characterize my ideas in terms of my excrement. It was quite poetic.

Sounds like you're a typical "conservative" and as such you ostensibly oppose a collectivism known as socialism. I find it peculiar that you espouse a related type of collectivism, nationalism, to combat socialism. Socialists speak for "society" and play divide and conquer class warfare games, and you speak for "America" and play divide and conquer nations-at-war games. Those that fail to see the world your way just don't get "the big picture", or can't make sacrifices "in the national interest".

Your attitude of "Screw the country but don't hurt little ol' super intelligent me" crap is now worn thin

Is this to say that an individual looking out for his/her own interests necessarily "screws the country"?

If we "stand up for the country" and obliterate Al Qaeda, is the war for freedom won? All sarcasm aside, now that......:

The BATF can intimidate law-abiding gun owners and burn them alive when they defend themselves against illegal raids

The Feds can come along and take your property if they want (without any compensation given to the owner) by claiming to have seen a few marijuana plants from a helicopter, or by inventing a new endangered species and claiming that your land is its habitat

The IRS knowingly defrauds American citizens by convincing them they are liable for an income tax which was never imposed on them

You're kicked off a jury or otherwise threatened with contempt of court for failing to vote only as the law says, instead of voting your conscience

Personal firearms ownership and citizen militias are villified and militia leaders are imprisoned on phony conspiracy charges (and a large, much better armed standing army is accepted as the bulwark of the nation's defense, in direct contrast to what the founders had in mind)

The state declares war on homeschoolers by seeking to require licensing, and forces all citizens to fund youth propoganda camps (otherwise known as government schools, the reproductive engine of the welfare state) whether or not they use this "service"

.....when is "the country" no longer "the country" that our fathers/grandfathers hit the beaches at Normandy to defend? What must happen here for you to ponder if the critical front in the war for freedom is in the Middle East or in the US?

[FreedomFriend]

Economic growth should be accompanied by global efforts to stabilize greenhouse gas concentrations associated with this growth, containing them at a level that prevents dangerous human interference with the global climate. Our overall objective is to reduce America's greenhouse gas emissions relative to the size of our economy, cutting such emissions per unit of economic activity by 18 percent over the next 10 years, by the year 2012. Our strategies for attaining this goal will be to:

remain committed to the basic U.N. Framework Convention for international cooperation;

obtain agreements with key industries to cut emissions of some of the most potent greenhouse gases and give transferable credits to companies that can show real cuts;

develop improved standards for measuring and registering emission reductions.

Oh yes, Bush is such a conservative. He thrashed Kyoto. For some reason, individuals thought that Bush would not support the environmentalist agenda. This is the administration's support for environmental legislation that will hurt industry, business and private property rights. It's essentially a buy-out of industry.

The following stated from our anti-UN President:

We are guided by the conviction that no nation can build a safer, better world alone. Alliances and multilateral institutions can multiply the strength of freedom-loving nations. The United States is committed to lasting institutions like the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, the Organization of American States, and NATO as well as other long-standing alliances.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

[MJY1288]

Well Billsbudd, (pun intended) You must be the equalevant of Miss Cleo, since you think you know what or who I love. You and your ilk are very predictable, and that's why you get the responses you do. It's quite easy to spot a unappeasable 2%er's like you around here, You contribute nothing and complain about everything.

You have my sympathy for your miserable existance