[RightWhale]

We don't need this. Remember that when tanks are rumbling through your subdivision.

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Who publishes "The Posse Comitatus Review," and how much does a one-year subscription cost?

[Marobe]

Gen. Ralph E. Eberhart, the officer charged with defending the continental U.S., has gone on record that he’s That he's a traitor, not unlike Bill Clinton , who will disregard his sworn oath of office to uphold the Constitution, If Bush had any American gutts in that whishywashy Icc-lovin body of his he'd fire this traitor. But Bush won't cause he's part of the problem and supports terrorism within the USA.

[Prodigal Son]

The Art of the Cache by Travis McGee. Food for thought. You're not going to win a shootout with a tank if they come for your stuff. Just ask yourself, how would David Koresh be viewed in today's climate of fear? If you're sitting on a big supply of weapons, you might want to give this some thought before anything gets signed into law. If you wait till they throw up checkpoints on the roads it'll be too late.

[Woodkirk]

He forgot to mention the military assistance given to the BATF in their seige on the Branch Davidian Church.

Our politicians and bureaucrats are trying to hold us hostage. claiming that they cannot stop the invasion coming across our borders because they would be employing American troops on American soil. This is hogwash or puerca caca. They are trying to blackmail us out of our liberties and make us trade the PCA for a stepped up campaign against terrorists.

[habaes corpussel]

"Gen. Ralph E. Eberhart, the officer charged with defending the continental U.S., has gone on record that he’s all for it and would endorse changes in the law if that translated into a better-defended country."

Sure the General want the changes. It will just make his new kingdom bigger amd more powerful than any other CINC's. I realy worry about stuff like this. The good news is that Rummy doesn't want a new four star nightmare either. He has enough of those now.

[Don Myers]

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ED EBERHART

GENERAL RALPH E. ED EBERHART

Selected for reassignment as Commander, U.S. Northern Command, and Commander, North American Aerospace Defense Command, Peterson Air Force Base, Colo.

General Ralph E. "Ed" Eberhart is Commander in Chief, North American Aerospace Defense Command; Commander, U.S. Space Command; and Department of Defense Manager for Manned Space Flight Support Operations, Peterson Air Force Base, Colo.

General Eberhart entered the Air Force in 1968 as a graduate of the U.S. Air Force Academy. His staff experience includes serving as Executive Officer to the Air Force Chief of Staff at Headquarters U.S. Air Force; Deputy Chief of Staff for Inspection, Safety and Security, Headquarters Tactical Air Command; Director for Programs and Evaluation, Headquarters U.S. Air Force; Director of Force Structure, Resources and Assessment, the Joint Staff; and Deputy Chief of Staff for Plans and Operations, Headquarters U.S. Air Force. The general has also served as the Air Force’s Vice Chief of Staff, and as Commander of Air Combat Command and Commander of Air Force Space Command.

General Eberhart also commanded a flight, squadron, wing, numbered air force, as well as sub-unified and unified commands. While Commander of the 363rd Tactical Fighter Wing during Operation Desert Shield, the unit established the theater's initial air-to-ground combat capability from a forward operating location. While serving as the Commander of U.S. Forces, Japan, he was awarded the Grand Cordon of the Order of the Sacred Treasure by the Emperor of Japan. A command pilot, he has logged more than 4,500 hours primarily in fighter and trainer aircraft, including 300 combat missions as a forward air controller in Vietnam.

EDUCATION:

1968 Bachelor of science degree in political science, U.S. Air Force Academy, Colorado Springs, Colo.
1973 Squadron Officer School, by correspondence
1974 Air Command and Staff College, by correspondence
1977 Master's degree in political science, Troy State University
1987 National War College, Fort Lesley J. McNair, Washington, D.C.

ASSIGNMENTS:

1. August 1968 - August 1969, student, undergraduate pilot training, 615th Student Squadron, Air Training Command, Craig Air Force Base, Ala.
2. February 1970 - December 1970, forward air controller, 20th Tactical Air Support Squadron, Pleiku Air Base, South Vietnam
3. December 1970 - June 1974, T-38 instructor pilot, assistant flight commander, flight commander and headquarters squadron commander, 71st Flying Training Wing, Vance Air Force Base, Okla.
4. June 1974 - June 1975, Resource Manager, Air Staff Training Program, Special Category Management Section, Rated Career Management Branch, Headquarters Air Force Military Personnel Center, Randolph Air Force Base, Texas
5. December 1975 - February 1977, F-4E flight commander and instructor pilot, 525th Tactical Fighter Squadron, Bitburg Air Base, West Germany
6. February 1977 - December 1978, F-4E instructor pilot, standardization and evaluation flight examiner, and assistant chief, standardization and evaluation, 50th Tactical Fighter Wing, Hahn Air Base, West Germany
7. January 1979 - July 1980, action officer, Readiness Initiative Group, Directorate of Operations, later, Chief, Executive Committee, Air Force Budget Issues Team, Directorate of Plans, Congressional and External Affairs Division, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
8. July 1980 - June 1982, Aide to the Commander in Chief, Headquarters U.S. Air Forces in Europe, and Commander, Allied Air Forces Central Europe, Ramstein Air Base, West Germany
9. September 1982 - May 1984, Commander, 10th Tactical Fighter Squadron, later, Assistant Deputy Commander for Operations, 50th Tactical Fighter Wing, Hahn Air Base, West Germany
10. May 1984 - July 1986, Executive Officer to the Air Force Chief of Staff, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
11. July 1986 - July 1987, student, National War College, Fort Lesley J. McNair, Washington, D.C.
12. July 1987 - October 1990, Vice Commander, later, Commander, 363rd Tactical Fighter Wing, Shaw Air Force Base, S.C.
13. October 1990 - February 1991, Deputy Chief of Staff for Inspection, Safety and Security, Headquarters Tactical Air Command, Langley Air Force Base, Va.
14. February 1991 - February 1994, Director, Directorate of Programs and Evaluation, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
15. February 1994 - June 1995, Director, Force Structure, Resources and Assessment, the Joint Staff, Washington, D.C.
16. June 1995 - June 1996, Deputy Chief of Staff for Plans and Operations, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
17. June 1996 - June 1997, Commander, U.S. Forces, Japan, and Commander, 5th Air Force, Yokota Air Base, Japan
18. July 1997 - June 1999, Vice Chief of Staff, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
19. June 1999 - February 2000, Commander, Air Combat Command, Langley Air Force Base, Va.
20. February 2000 – April 2002, Commander, North American Aerospace Defense Command, U.S. Space Command and Air Force Space Command; and Department of Defense Manager for Manned Space Flight Support Operations, Peterson Air Force Base, Colo.
21. April 2002 – present, Commander in Chief, North American Aerospace Defense Command; Commander, U.S. Space Command; and Department of Defense Manager for Manned Space Flight Support Operations, Peterson Air Force Base, Colo.

FLIGHT INFORMATION:

Rating: Command pilot
Flight hours: More than 4,500 hours
Aircraft flown: O-2, T-38, T-39, F-4E, RF-4C, F-16, F-15 and C-21

MAJOR AWARDS AND DECORATIONS:

Defense Distinguished Service Medal with oak leaf cluster
Distinguished Service Medal with oak leaf cluster
Legion of Merit with oak leaf cluster
Distinguished Flying Cross
Defense Meritorious Service Medal
Meritorious Service Medal with two oak leaf clusters
Air Medal with 11 oak leaf clusters
Air Force Commendation Medal
Presidential Unit Citation
Joint Meritorious Unit Award with oak leaf cluster
Air Force Outstanding Unit Award with oak leaf cluster
Combat Readiness Medal
National Defense Service Medal with service star
Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with two service stars
Vietnam Service Medal with three service stars
Southwest Asia Service Medal with service star
Humanitarian Service Medal with service star
Air Force Overseas Ribbon - Short
Air Force Overseas Ribbon - Long with oak leaf cluster
Air Force Longevity Service Award Ribbon with seven oak leaf clusters
Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon
Air Force Training Ribbon
Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross with Palm
Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal
Kuwait Liberation Medal (Government of Kuwait)
The Grand Cordon of the Order of the Sacred Treasure, Japan

OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS:

Able Aeronaut Award, Pacific Air Forces
General Jimmy Doolittle Award, Air Force Association
Distinguished Achievement Award, Air Force Association Tennessee Ernie Ford Chapter
Member, Council of Foreign Relations
Tom Lombardo Leadership Award, National Football Foundation and College Hall of Fame
Thomas D. White Space Award, Air Force Association
Air Force Order of the Sword, Air Force Space Command
General Bernard A. Schriever Award, Air Force Association

EFFECTIVE DATES OF PROMOTION:

Second Lieutenant Jun 5, 1968
First Lieutenant Dec 5, 1969
Captain Jun 5, 1971
Major Sep 1, 1979
Lieutenant Colonel Nov 1, 1981
Colonel Nov 1, 1984
Brigadier General Mar 1, 1991
Major General Jul 1, 1993
Lieutenant General Jul 1, 1995
General Aug 1, 1997

(Current as of July 2002)

[Van Jenerette]

To me, as a retired military officer with over 23-years of active service, this option of the deployment of American troops inside of America was never in the cards.

We had a simple rule: Never point your weapons in the direction of 'friendlys.' So by simple extension, we as a military kept our weapons 'pointed' outside of our borders. Could it be that there may be some people view the American Citizens as 'Non-Friendly Personnel?'

As a college professor of political science, my view is once again pretty simplistic: The founding father's kept up the cadence in the early years of this Republic that a standing Federal Military on American soil was a threat to the peoples liberty, and the soveriegn rights of the States. If I accept the founders position on 'All men being created equal...with rights granted by natures God' then I have to believe that they were quite correct in this respect also.

Our Federal Military Weapons should be 'pointed' outside of our borders. Period.

[taaminator]

At least the Military has been ready for this for almost ten years, now.

Question 46. The stated scenario

46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this p eriod, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms.
The statement that the U.S. Marines were asked to respond to:

I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.

No opinion Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree

The Responses

Of the 300 U.S. Marines asked this question, 264, or 88% of them responded.

The outcome of the survey was as follows:

Strongly disagree 127 42.33%

Disagree 58 19.33%

Agree 56 18.67%

Strongly agree 23 07.67%

No opinion 36 12.00%

Total: 300 100.00%


Summary of the responses to question 46.

The survey results indicated that 61.66% (42.33 + 19.33) said they would refuse to fire on U.S. citizens, whereas 26.34% (18.67 + 7.67) indicated they would fire. According to Lt. Cdr. Guy Cunningham, the author of the thesis and designer of the survey qu estions; "This particular question, unlike the others, elicited from 15.97 percent of the respondents with an opinion, either heavier pen or pencil remarks on their response or written comments in the margin space."

Is there a problem here?

What troubles Lt. Cdr. Cunningham and other opponents of using U.S. military forces for U.N. peacekeeping and non-traditional missions within United States territories is the 26.34% indicating they would fire.

In another scenario, such a significant minority could be separated from those unwilling to shoot their fellow citizens, and easily organized into a unit that would obey such orders.

[gieriscm]

AFAIK the only exemption to Posse Comitatus is when nuclear materials are involved. So, if there are terrorists in CONUS who are attempting to set of a "dirty nuke" bomb, the military can intervene here.

The only other exemptions I'd make are if biological or chemical weapons are involved, and that is only because the military has expertise that local LE and FD's often lack.

Otherwise, leave the cops and sheriffs responsible for law enforcement.