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1 posted on 07/21/2002 9:38:41 AM PDT by GeneD
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43 posted on 07/21/2002 10:35:23 AM PDT by snopercod
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(Not exactly about guns, but extremely relevant in principle.)
47 posted on 07/21/2002 10:38:47 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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I'd give our liders' comments on national security more credence if there were honest discussions about initiatives like Rep. Tancredo's.

The stunning national silence followinging his suggestion that we employ the military to protect our borders tells me where there heads are at.

(Hint: It's where the sun don't shine.)

63 posted on 07/21/2002 10:57:46 AM PDT by a merkin
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``I think it is time to revisit it,'' Senator Joe Biden, a Delaware Democrat, said...

That's enough to know it's a bad idea.

...on the ``Fox News Sunday'' program. That would ``allow for military that has expertise with weapons of mass destruction to be called in'' if such a plot was discovered.

...First of all, Joe, there is already a Federal task force for handling WMD's that has been around for over twenty years (for nuclear and other radioactive weapons anyway) up and running all this time. Not to mention the FBI which is supposed to deal with other such domestic threats. Secondly, Joe, giving the military powers to arrest and shoot in domestic situations has no relevance whatsoever in dealing with WMD's or 'plots', as I'm sure you know you disingenuous commie swine.

64 posted on 07/21/2002 11:00:31 AM PDT by TigersEye
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Bump for later reading
66 posted on 07/21/2002 11:01:07 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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Now hold on one cotton picking minute! What are we doing?

"The government should consider reversing a more than a century of tradition and law to give the military authority to make arrests and fire their weapons on U.S. soil in the event of a terrorist attack, Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge said."

Jose Padella is what then? If the Military does not have the power to arrest American Citizens it sure the heck does not have the right to detain them either. Ridge is contradicting a Bush Executive Order.

"``Right now, when you call in the military, the military would not be allowed to shoot-to-kill, if in fact they were approaching the weapon,'' Biden said."

This is pure unadulterated bull! The Joint Resolution on the use of force gives the Commander and Chief the authority to use the Military on US Soil for direct actions in the time of a national emergency to protect the United States. The Resolution supercedes the Posse Comitatus Act. The Legislative Intent of the Posse Comitatus Act was to involve the Military in “Law Enforcement Purposes”. If Congress is really this concerned then Officially Declare War. I got to wonder what is really behind this latest move? Biden worries me.

I totally agree that Congress should empower the Military to arrest, detain and try ALL Terrorist both Foreign and Domestic. However, I remain very, very guarded over the rest of it. I highly recommend we all watch how this unfolds. This has a huge potential to become excessive..

Unless this is a political move to keep everyone minds off the economy?

68 posted on 07/21/2002 11:02:41 AM PDT by habaes corpussel
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The government should consider reversing a more than a century of tradition and law to give the military authority to make arrests and fire their weapons on U.S. soil in the event of a terrorist attack, Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge said.

Ridge has his head up his butt. The military already has all the authority it needs to defend our borders just like General Black Jack Pershing did.

76 posted on 07/21/2002 11:15:00 AM PDT by Willie Green
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Just tattoo the ID number on my forehead ping!
82 posted on 07/21/2002 11:18:54 AM PDT by Bella_Bru
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I just heard a ABC news clip where Senator Fred Thompson is saying that he supports modifying the Posse Comitatus Act to include the military in searches and seizures in the United States. I think Congress has now really gone off the deep end. There is no need for modifying the Posse Comitatus Act If we are at war, the Joint Resolution or even an Act of War will do just fine. This is becoming very dangerous. I trust the Bush administration to a large extent though I have my concerns with them. But I do not blindly trust the US Government nor any other future Administration.

This is scary.

100 posted on 07/21/2002 11:39:08 AM PDT by habaes corpussel
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You are right, it would be used against Americans when democrats are in power.
115 posted on 07/21/2002 12:05:42 PM PDT by lwoodham
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They came for the druggies, and I did not protest because I was not a druggie.............
122 posted on 07/21/2002 12:23:05 PM PDT by Lexington Green
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Assymetrical Assymetrical Assymetrical

Let me repeat again. This makes NOOOO sense because it is asymmetrical. A militray force, from a battallion to an F16 squadron, is useless against a few terrorists skulking in a large city. The ONLY use of a large professional military force, rather than simply funding conventional law enforcement, is to subdue large numbers of citizens.

Why can't anyone see that?
147 posted on 07/21/2002 2:53:52 PM PDT by bloggerjohn
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Stasi bump.
148 posted on 07/21/2002 2:59:40 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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...fears that terrorists might attempt a nuclear, biological or chemical attack on U.S. territory are prompting some lawmakers to support revisions to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which restricts the use of the military in civilian law enforcement....


151 posted on 07/21/2002 3:09:43 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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I believe such actions by the military is called, "Martial Law". Called anything else, it is still martial law.
162 posted on 07/21/2002 3:37:41 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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Two things:

1. Define "terrorist attack".

2. Define "army". Ours our "theirs"? Ours is so thin that they would need foreign armies to do the job.

164 posted on 07/21/2002 3:42:07 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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Hillary! is sure gonna have some neat internal security mechanisms to work with when she gets elected president.
168 posted on 07/21/2002 3:51:30 PM PDT by Living Stone
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Not that it will make any difference, this is what Ridge actually said, not the WP's paraphrasing

Ridge said Sunday that it ``goes against our instincts as a country to empower the military with the ability to arrest,'' and called the prospect ``very unlikely.''

190 posted on 07/21/2002 6:57:35 PM PDT by Texasforever
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The military should be deployed only to the borders facing Mexico and Canada and the INS should deploy all border patrol agents inside of the United States for interior enforcement.
202 posted on 07/21/2002 7:41:38 PM PDT by healey22
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Interviewed yesterday on "Fox News Sunday," Mr. Biden, a member of the Judiciary Committee, said the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which prevents the military from exercising police powers in this country, should be re-examined and "has to be amended."
Such a change will happen soon, he said.

208 posted on 07/22/2002 2:52:49 AM PDT by philman_36
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