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Another Tragic Reason To Change Chicago's Unconstitutional CCW Laws
The Chicago Sun Times | May 8, 2002 | Fran Speilman, Carlos Sadovi and Abdon Pallasch

Posted on 05/08/2002 5:46:38 AM PDT by Rollee

Police came too late: 911 caller is slain

May 8, 2002

BY FRAN SPIELMAN, CARLOS SADOVI AND ABDON M. PALLASCH STAFF REPORTERS

The Chicago Police Department's Internal Affairs Division has launched an investigation to determine why a South Side woman who made three calls to 911 to report that her husband was violating an order of protection was murdered before police arrived on the scene.

A pair of police cars converged on the scene 17 minutes after the victim's first Friday night call to 911, but Ronyale White, 31, was dead on the bedroom floor with a gunshot wound in her head.

Whether a quicker response would have saved White's life is unknown. Even so, the question is why did officers take 17 minutes to arrive at her home in the 10600 block of South La Salle.

Was White's initial call--that her husband was violating the order of protection--given the "Priority 1A" status it deserved?

IAD opened a "complaint registered" in response to questions raised by the Chicago Sun-Times and by Leslie Landis, domestic violence liaison to Mayor Daley.

"Initially, the sequence of calls, when you look at it, appear to be within the guidelines, but it's questionable," police spokesman Pat Camden said.

White made three calls to 911 --at 11:40 p.m., 11:45 p.m. and at 11:50 p.m., prosecutors said.

Although police cars were reportedly dispatched to the scene after each of the three calls, none arrived at White's home until 11:57 p.m. That's when two cars arrived simultaneously and officers found White's body on the bedroom floor, said Larry Langford, spokesman for the city's Office of Emergency Communications.

In the first call, White is heard saying her husband, Louis Drexel, 30, is outside her home and she has an order of protection against him.

Dispatchers then hear her saying, " 'He's inside the house,' " prosecutor LuAnn Rodi Snow said.

In the second call, White says Drexel left the house and was "punching holes in the tires of the Durango. He has a gun," Rodi Snow said. "He said she's going to die."

In the third and final call, operators hear a man's voice threatening death, then a loud noise, apparently a door being kicked in. Five seconds later, two shots are heard and the phone goes dead.

White had locked the door of her bedroom and activated a tape recorder, which captured much of the attack, including the gunshots. After the attack, Drexel put the gun in her hand in a failed attempt to make it appear to be a suicide, the prosecutor said.

Investigators said they think the gun was the same gun Drexel had reported stolen in early April.

After the shooting, Drexel went to his mother's Forest Park home. The mother called police, who arrived on the scene as Drexel was attempting suicide. The bullet grazed his right temple. Drexel was later hospitalized. He wore a blue hospital smock during a bond hearing Tuesday.

He was charged with first-degree murder and ordered held without bond.

The murder of a battered woman who made three frantic calls to 911 angered victims' advocates, including Landis.

"If that's how things transpired, it's a tragedy. The response should have been prompter. . . . Priority One calls should receive a response that's faster than 17 minutes," Landis said.

"We need to examine what we can do to prevent that kind of occurrence in the future. I'm asking them to investigate it."

Joyce Coffee, executive director of Family Rescue, a South Side nonprofit, said she was "saddened" by the police response, especially in light of recent changes that have bolstered police training on domestic violence and elevated emergency calls to the Priority One status that requires immediate dispatch.

Langford acknowledged that the 911 call-taker had the option of dispatching a police car while continuing to question the victim, but chose to interview White fully before radioing the first police car shortly after 11:43 p.m.

"The lady's demeanor was very calm and she was conversational. She didn't say anything in the call that indicated she was about to be bodily harmed. She said he got in with a key. There was no indication that he was kicking in a door. Because there was no weapon on the scene, that might have had something to do with it," he said.


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This woman would be alive, and that scumbag husband of hers would not be wasting space, if she had been allowed to arm herself. What a tragedy, one of many.
1 posted on 05/08/2002 5:46:38 AM PDT by Rollee
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To: Rollee
Rhetorical question for the gun grabbers:
How did prohibition of firearms ownership keep this man from shooting this woman?
Could it possibly be that he knew with a high degree of certainty that she couldn't fight back?
2 posted on 05/08/2002 5:55:08 AM PDT by MrB
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To: Rollee
Drexel put the gun in her hand

I think we need a law to keep abusers from having firearms! If that law was in place, the woman would surely be alive today. Why would she need a weapon when that law would protect her?

3 posted on 05/08/2002 5:59:04 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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To: Rollee
Anyone with any sense who lives in Chicago simply ignores their stupid gun law. That's what I did for the 5 years I lived there. Never had to use it, fortunately.
4 posted on 05/08/2002 6:05:47 AM PDT by zook
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
I see you suffer from the delusion that the government will protect us. Explain why the assault, robbery, rape, and murder rates in England are rising faster than in the US. Explain why they are falling in "carry" states like Texas. If this guy is already going to violate a protective order, what is a gun violation going to do to stop him. You silly twit, it was ALREADY against the law for him to have that gun. IT WAS STOLEN PROPERTY. You obviously are impervious to the facts.

WHEN YOU CRIMINALIZE GUNS, YOU ONLY DISARM THE INNOCENT!

5 posted on 05/08/2002 6:10:10 AM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
ping
6 posted on 05/08/2002 6:13:47 AM PDT by facedown
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To: Rollee
Warren v District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981). Typical of cases enunciating the non-responsibility of the police for protecting individual citizens is Warren v District of Columbia in which three rape victims sued the city and its police department under the following facts:

Two of the victims were upstairs when they heard the other being attacked by men who had broken in downstairs. Half an hour having passed and their roommate's screams having ceased, they assumed the police must have arrived in response to their repeated phone calls.

In fact their calls had somehow been lost in the shuffle while the roommate was being beaten into silent acquiesence. So when the roommates went downstairs to see to her, as the court's opinion graphically describes it, "For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands" of their attackers.

Having set out these facts, the court promptly exonerated the District of Columbia and its police, as was clearly required by [the] fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.

Boonie Rat

MACV SOCOM, PhuBai/Hue '65-'66

7 posted on 05/08/2002 6:22:57 AM PDT by Boonie Rat
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To: zook
I woke up this morning with this sad story in the news. It's not being reported on television at all - I realize Chicago is Murder City, what's one more? This burns me beyond belief because if this poor woman (God rest her soul) had been armed she would be alive, but also would have been charged with a FELONY because of this asinine unconstitutional law. She would not have been dependent upon the police for her life. What I fail to understand is how anyone in their right mind could think that laws, laws and more laws could have prevented this from happening? I guess it takes a village (idiot). I don't live in Murder City anymore. All of the Chicago citizens who are afraid of the city are moving out here and bringing their misguided demo-feelings with them, so it might as well be. Thank God I discovered FR!
8 posted on 05/08/2002 6:23:38 AM PDT by Rollee
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
In Ohio, 'they' say you cannot own a gun if you have had domestic violence charges against you. Part of the background check.

Trying to keep 'abusers' from owning a gun will NEVER work.

What is sorely needed is a change of mindset....teaching that dial-a-prayer (911) does not give as much protection as a hand-in-hand relationship with Mr. Colt, or Mr. Glock.

And for those females who can't aim while shaking from fear....a nice shotgun will do. (all they have to do is aim in the general vicinity of the attacker and they're BOUND to make an 'impression'.)

9 posted on 05/08/2002 6:25:46 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: Rollee

A gun in the hand is BETTER than a cop on the phone


10 posted on 05/08/2002 6:28:53 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER
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To: ICE-FLYER
A huge PING to you!!!
11 posted on 05/08/2002 6:37:59 AM PDT by Rollee
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To: Rollee
We need to examine what we can do to prevent that kind of occurrence in the future

No studies, no panels, no committees needed. Encourage people to own firearms and to practice use and safety.

12 posted on 05/08/2002 6:43:24 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Rollee
28 court cases, all of which showing " the Police have no obligation to protect any individual person from harm "

DeShaney v. Winnebago County Social Services (1989) 489 US 189
Bower v. DeVito (1982) 686 F.2d 616
Calgorides v. Mobile (1985) 475 So.2d 560
Warren v. District of Columbia (1983) 444 A.2d 1
Morgan v. District of Columbia (1983) 469 A.2d 1306
Sapp v. Tallahassee (1977) 348 So.2d 363, cert.denied 354 So.2d 985
Keane v. Chicago (1968) 98 Ill.App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321
Jamison v. Chicago (1977) 48 Ill.3d 567
Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville 272 N.E. 2d 871
Silver v. Minneapolis (1969)) 170 N.W.2d 206
Wuetrich v. Delia (1978) 155 N.J.Super. 324, 382 A.2d 929
Chapman v. Philadelphia (1981) 290 Pa.Super. 324, 382 A.2d 753
Morris v. Musser, (1984) 84 Pa.Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937
Weiner v. Metropolitan Authority, and Shernov v. New York Transit Authority (1982) 55 N.Y.2d 175, 948 N.Y.S. 141

The Well Armed Defense Rests

13 posted on 05/08/2002 6:46:04 AM PDT by chuknospam
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
Why would she need a weapon when that law would protect her?

Wow! Apparently you missed the fact that there was a court ordered restaining order against the murderer. He was already breaking the law. And of course, murder is against the law.

Suppose he was denied a gun by law. What if he acquires one illegally? She still ends up dead.

What if he chose to use a baseball bat instead? Again she ends up dead.

Your simplistic view is quite wrong. This is not about guns. This is about the right of an individual to defend themselves.

14 posted on 05/08/2002 6:54:46 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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Sorry I didn't catch details but I just heard something on the radio to the effect that the US Dept. of Justice has declared that the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of EVERY citizen to own firearms. Only exception being those who might be deemed unfit by virtue of mental illness, etc.
15 posted on 05/08/2002 7:00:15 AM PDT by scholar
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To: chuknospam
Yes, it does. I have decided, in the past few weeks, to do more than just lurk around various websites. I applied to join CCW, I did join the Illinois State Rifle Association, sent away for the stupid FOID card with a very ugly picture, and am going to the range with my friend and my brother to learn to shoot and use weapons properly. Not only for my benefit, but also so I could edjimicate the misguided souls I encounter on a daily basis, starting with the female members of my family, sorry to say. My ultimate goal is to get my mother trained and armed. She thinks a can of mace in the closet is going to help her, so I am trying (slowly but surely) to shock her into reality. All the touchy feely women on Oprah, etal always talk about "empowerment". Too bad they weren't there to "empower" the people who lost their lives or their sanity because they were not allowed to use a powerful little equalizer. The story I read this morning hit very close to me because that is my living nightmare - what if it happened to one of my loved ones?
16 posted on 05/08/2002 7:07:34 AM PDT by Rollee
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
I think we need a law to keep abusers from having firearms!

It is impossible to win any fight using defense. Conflicts can only be won or prevented by offense.

A gun is not needed for a man to kill a woman. All it takes is a box cutter available at any grocery store. The muslims on the airplanes proved that beyond any doubt. If he could kick the door down he did not need the gun. All it takes is a handle and a razor blade and the woman is dead.... that is unless she has what used to be called an equalizer.

If she has a gum, a shot through the door as he tries to break it down preserves her life.

Killers don't need guns. Ask any Muslim!

Defenders need guns.. ask any airline pilot!


17 posted on 05/08/2002 7:27:26 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Rollee
I have decided, in the past few weeks, to do more than just lurk around various websites. I applied to join CCW, I did join the Illinois State Rifle Association, sent away for the stupid FOID card with a very ugly picture, and am going to the range with my friend and my brother to learn to shoot and use weapons properly.

GOOD FOR YOU!!!

18 posted on 05/08/2002 7:28:16 AM PDT by serinde
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To: scholar
Hopefully, Daley and Ryan, etal, will listen to that newscast and the little light bulb over their heads will blink on. D'uh!
19 posted on 05/08/2002 7:44:50 AM PDT by Rollee
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To: chuknospam
I once heard the police described as "historians". I thought it was so apt.
20 posted on 05/08/2002 7:46:01 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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