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Study: Universe 13 Billion Years Old
AP | Wednesday, April 24, 2002; 4:21 PM | Paul Recer

Posted on 04/24/2002 6:30:34 PM PDT by longshadow

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To: DennisR
if

Let's see a little meat with your "if's".

41 posted on 04/24/2002 7:59:28 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: PatrickHenry
There are dozens of very good books on the subject, written in layman's language by the very people who are doing this research. You'd be amazed to discover how much in agreement they all are.

That's what bothers me.
Because 20 years ago they all agreed that it was a different age.

42 posted on 04/24/2002 7:59:29 PM PDT by Politically Correct
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To: Politically Correct
Because 20 years ago they all agreed that it was a different age.

Are you smarter than you were 20 years ago?

43 posted on 04/24/2002 8:00:53 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: longshadow
You are kidding, right? If not, just go to google.com, type in the following, and press [Google Search]. That should give you plenty of contradictory reading material.
44 posted on 04/24/2002 8:02:03 PM PDT by DennisR
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To: DennisR
You would thank that, given the utter and sheer brilliance of these "experts," that they would be able to get the age of the earth closer than to within 1,000,000,000 years.

Actually, the result being reported here measured it to within half a billion years, which is an error of about 4%. Considering that they are measuring something that happened about 13 billion years ago (give or take), 4% error is pretty darned good.

Seriously, are you going to disparage science until they can tell you the month, day, and hour of the Big Bang? How much accuracy do you demand, and why?

45 posted on 04/24/2002 8:02:57 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Politically Correct
Because 20 years ago they all agreed that it was a different age.

They're always working with the data they have. When new data arrives, from new telescopes and better technology, what do you suggest they do? Supress the new information? They don't do that. They welcome the opportunity to revise their understanding, in the light of the best available information. Why do you find this objectionable?

46 posted on 04/24/2002 8:04:24 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Before you can find proof of something, you have to work out theories so you have some idea what you're trying to prove. So what you're saying I'm in total agreement with. But the laws of physics are not necessarily absolute. There have been instances out there in space where what they thought, or expected to be ocurring was not.

They're going back 13 billion light years in time to see what happened then because that's how long it took for the light to reach us. But for all we know, as another poster said the universe goes on in infinity, there are probably galaxies a hundred trillion light years away, and farther. My point is, and it's a theory, fifteen billion years for the universe is like a second for us. It's been around a lot longer than that.

I'm sorry; you lost me.

47 posted on 04/24/2002 8:04:47 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
I'm getting some strong hints that some of the posters here have the opinion that the universe is only 6,000 years old, which would explain their open hostility to the current findings of science.
48 posted on 04/24/2002 8:06:34 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: DennisR
Yet another contradictory story about the age of the earth.

Perhaps you are communicating with the story on another astral plane, but it mentioned nothing about the age of the earth.

49 posted on 04/24/2002 8:08:47 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: DennisR
.....especially if the "multiple independent methods" are all erroneous.

I eagerly await your post of the errors in the multiple independent methodologies. Please include the evidence to back up your assertion that they are erroneous.

Please also provide your analysis that explains how ALL the errors of the independent methodologies ALL produce virtually indentical results.

50 posted on 04/24/2002 8:08:50 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
So what's the furthest distance from me that anything in the universe can be?
51 posted on 04/24/2002 8:09:18 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: longshadow
I was referring to "astronomers using another method estimated the age at 13 to 14 billion years." 14,000,000,000 minus 13,000,000,000 equals 1,000,000,000 years. If the actual age of earth was 13,000,000,000 years and they guessed 14,000,000,000 years, they were within 1,000,000,000 years worst case.

My cynicism for the wide range of years for the age of the earth is borne from the periodically-appearing news reports that yet another "scientist" or "group of scientists" has determined that the earth is really _______ (fill in the blank) years old.
52 posted on 04/24/2002 8:11:08 PM PDT by DennisR
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To: jlogajan
Touche...I stand corrected. Thank you.
53 posted on 04/24/2002 8:12:43 PM PDT by DennisR
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To: longshadow
I do not remember saying the multiple methods "were" erroneous; I said "if," a hypothetical.
54 posted on 04/24/2002 8:14:08 PM PDT by DennisR
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To: Politically Correct
Because 20 years ago they all agreed that it was a different age.

Actually, that's not quite true.

20 years ago, give or take a few years, the consensus was that the Universe was somewhere between 10 and 20 billion years old. There was a fair amount of "slop" in their estimates at that point in time. Today, they have more refined techniques available, and much more data. So they now think it's about 13.5 (+/- 0.5) billion years old, which is well withing the estimates of 20 years ago.

55 posted on 04/24/2002 8:14:28 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
I'm sorry; you lost me.

OK, I'll say it in laymen's terms so you can find yourself -IMO, these scientists are blowing hot air and wasting taxpayers money. The universe has been around longer than thirteen billion years, and I don't need 12 years of college education to come to that conclusion.

56 posted on 04/24/2002 8:14:32 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: DennisR
You are kidding, right?

No; you made the assertion that this was "another contradictory story."

Where is the contradiction in this story? You made the assertion; the burden is YOURS, not mine, to find it.

57 posted on 04/24/2002 8:16:50 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Did you do the search on google? If so, what did you find?
58 posted on 04/24/2002 8:18:17 PM PDT by DennisR
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To: DennisR
The age of the earth is believed to be approximately 4.6 billion years.
59 posted on 04/24/2002 8:22:09 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
The universe has been around longer than thirteen billion years, and I don't need 12 years of college education to come to that conclusion.

Well, just how did you come to the conclusion. Come on, don't be shy.

60 posted on 04/24/2002 8:23:05 PM PDT by jlogajan
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