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Church caretaker and bell ringer shot and killed during Bethlehem standoff
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Posted on 04/04/2002 3:00:34 PM PST by RCW2001

Church caretaker and bell ringer shot and killed during Bethlehem standoff
Thu Apr 4, 2:21 PM ET

By IBRAHIM HAZBOUN, Associated Press Writer

BETHLEHEM, West Bank - Bethlehem's residents always knew by the tolling bells at the Church of the Nativity when a mass was under way, when a couple was getting married, when someone died and was to be buried. Samir Ibrahim Salman, who rang the bells, had a different chime for each one.

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The quiet 45-year-old Palestinian Christian who kept to himself and spent most of his time inside the dark church was shot and killed while walking there Thursday.

Inside the basilica, built above the spot revered as Jesus' birth grotto, 240 armed Palestinians have been holed up since Tuesday, with Israeli troops closing in and calling on the gunmen to surrender and come out. No one has done so.

At dawn Thursday, Salman set out for the church, gunfire or no gunfire. He did so every day for most of his life.

He was well-known by the Palestinian Christian community, which makes up about half of the city's population of about 30,000 people.

You could see him there wiping the drips of candle wax from the old marble and stone or helping the Greek Orthodox priests with their services. But he was best known for his ringing. Each day he'd climb the steps up to the bell tower in the fourth-century, fortress-like stone and wood church.

He was a poor man. He lived alone. He never married. Both of his parents passed away.

"He was a simple guy. He never harmed any person," said a relative, Anton Salman, who spoke by telephone from inside the besieged church. "He never spoke to anyone, but if you asked for help, he would run to do it for you."

He was only interested in taking care of the church, the relative said. And so he hoped to do the same, even as the church became the center of a standoff. He was shot in the chest and died, his body slumping into a street just a few steps from the church.

It was not clear who fired the shots.

At the Church of the Nativity, the standoff continued.

Gunmen and others inside the church said Israeli troops blew open a back door leading into a small courtyard next to the ancient stone shrine and fired inside, wounding three people. The Israeli military denied the claim, saying soldiers did not make a move on the shrine.

Mazen Hassan, a Palestinian policeman in the church, said he and other armed men were close to the metal door when it was blown open and shots were fired injuring the people. An Associated Press reporter speaking to Hassan by phone could hear the sound of heavy shooting in the background. Hassan said Palestinians were not returning fire.

However, Lt. Col. Olivier Rafowicz, an Israeli army spokesman, denied soldiers moved into the church compound. Other military officials said there was shooting in nearby Manger Square, and that troops were pursuing gunmen.

The Israeli military prevented reporters from reaching the church to independently assess the rival claims.

Rafowicz said Israel has been offering safe passage out of the church for anyone wishing it, and that Palestinian officials holed up inside "are preventing the people from leaving."

The standoff at the church began Tuesday, when the fighters, who had been engaged in heavy gunbattles with advancing Israeli troops for hours, dashed a few dangerous steps from the Palace Hotel to the Church of the Nativity.

An army video released Thursday showed the gunmen running a dozen at a time from the nearby hotel, their heavy footfalls splashing puddles in the cobblestone path under a slashing rain. "One at a time," shouted one of the men. Wearing military vests and boots and carrying rifles, they ran as another turned and provided cover, wildly firing an assault rifle.

Inside the dark, cold church nuns and priests, among about 60 members of the clergy there, have attended to 10 wounded gunmen and tried to come up with blankets. Two of the wounded need immediate medical care, said Father Ibrahim Faltas.

The bells rang out Thursday afternoon. This time though it wasn't Salman tugging at their ropes.

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1 posted on 04/04/2002 3:00:34 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
"Israeli troops closing in and calling on the gunmen to surrender and come out. No one has done so."

Are they kidding? Anybody trying to leave would be shot...in the back by the Palis. This guy was also probably shot by them to make the Jews like bad. Remember, the Muslims hate the Christians as much as they hate the Jews, and this man was a Palastinin Christian. That makes him a traitor to Muslim.

2 posted on 04/04/2002 3:07:31 PM PST by holyscroller
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To: RCW2001
It was not clear who fired the shots.

Oh yeah? Well, let me take a guess!

3 posted on 04/04/2002 3:14:34 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: RCW2001
May God bless and keep this poor man, a servant at the place where Jesus was born.
4 posted on 04/04/2002 3:14:41 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
Who is doing the autopsy? The Palis shot him right? for ringing the bell? This is all too ridiculous.
5 posted on 04/04/2002 3:17:33 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: RCW2001
The guy was ignorant to go to work when it is surrounded by armed forces.

He must not have been right in the head.
Not making fun of him, just seems so stupid to go there under that situation.

6 posted on 04/04/2002 3:18:39 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: holyscroller
Remember, the Muslims hate the Christians as much as they hate the Jews, and this man was a Palastinin Christian.

Generally true but the Jews and Turkish Muslims have a strange love affair going back to the time the Turks conquered Christian Byzantium. The Turk allowed Jews from Spain to settle in the newly acquired Ottoman Turkish imperial lands often allowing Jews to take over formerly Christian homes and land. For example, there are letters from Jews to the Turkish pasha asking for Christian slaves to be sent to him to work in his operation in N. Africa.

Don't get me wrong - the "love" affair that some Arab Christians have with their Muslim cousins is just as strange...maybe some psychiatrist can explain that.

7 posted on 04/04/2002 3:18:47 PM PST by eleni121
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To: a_Turk
For being a Christian coming to work where they were holding up. Perhaps, yes!

Remember their Koran, convert them and if you can't kill them. (Paraphrased)

8 posted on 04/04/2002 3:20:14 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: a_Turk
No one who was not at the scene could possibly know who shot him.

Anyone who claims to know is simply pushing their agenda. Is that what are doing, my friend?

9 posted on 04/04/2002 3:22:22 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: My2Cents
Well, if Sabir was running toward the church, and was shot in the chest, whoever did the shotting was in front of him. Further, he was shot a few steps from the church.

I don't have a map of the area, but I think that Israeli soldiers could have seen what direction he was running. If they felt he was a threat, he would not have made it almost to the church.

The people inside the church may not have been able to see him until he was almost upon them. Not that I think that Palis are on a hair trigger.

Oh, I forgot. The Palis said they were out of food and Ammo. That means it couldn't have been a Pali. Must have been those blood thirsty, fully armed priests.

Guess the Israelis could just walk on in and ask them to surrender.

10 posted on 04/04/2002 3:24:34 PM PST by texas booster
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To: RCW2001
Knowing, as I do, the AP's immunity to bias, I believe everything they have to say.
11 posted on 04/04/2002 3:25:39 PM PST by What Is Ain't
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To: RCW2001
"At dawn Thursday, Salman set out for the church, gunfire or no gunfire. He did so every day for most of his life."

"I'm sorry, but if I knew there was a gun battle between the army and a band of terrorists going on at my job, or my church, I'd be staying home for the duration.

Somebody should have talked some sense into him.

13 posted on 04/04/2002 3:28:44 PM PST by Gigantor
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To: RCW2001
This is sad, as is the whole situation. Too bad the Israelis didn't intercept him, or are they allowing church staff to come and go?
14 posted on 04/04/2002 3:29:47 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RCW2001
I know that many people are going to flame me severely for saying this. I will be called every vile name imaginable - perhaps some that I've not even heard before. Here it goes:

Could this Christian Palestinian have possibly been shot and killed by a Israeli Jew? Is that possible?

What disturbs me most about the forever-ongoing Israel/arab conflict is that fact that most Americans rush to "take sides". Many here were recenly very dissapointed to see Switzerland join the UN because we admired their neutrality towards international events. We often quote Thomas Jefferson and other Founders here, but we seem to have forgotten their warnings concerning our involvement in "foreign entanglements". Don't get me wrong - the arabs are scum. They are not our friends. But what has Israel done for us? Didn't Aristotle say, "The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend"?

Would the United States somehow become weaker or less of a country if we decided to just step back and let these two groups just slug it out over their rocks and sand? Or would we be better off? I tend to believe the latter.

Someone, please enlighten me.

15 posted on 04/04/2002 3:31:38 PM PST by pocat
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To: Alan Jackson
The only thing about that statement is that most Palestinian Christians are probably against terrorism, and all they want protected, like the rest of us, is their holy shrines. In reading the criticisms of Bush's statements, I keep on thinking "Blessed are the peacemakers...," but this may be a time where the only solution is to allow the sides to duke it out. The whole situation is a bloody shame.
16 posted on 04/04/2002 3:32:40 PM PST by Pyro7480
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To: RCW2001,wordsmith
You could see him there wiping the drips of candle wax from the old marble and stone or helping the Greek Orthodox priests with their services. But he was best known for his ringing. Each day he'd climb the steps up to the bell tower in the fourth-century, fortress-like stone and wood church.

Eternal Memory to my Orthodox brother.

17 posted on 04/04/2002 3:40:04 PM PST by MarMema
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To: pocat
Could this Christian Palestinian have possibly been shot and killed by a Israeli Jew? Is that possible?
Never! Not when there's all that ARAB SCUM running around to take up the slack in the INHUMANE and PREJUDICE department. /sarcasm
18 posted on 04/04/2002 3:40:11 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: RCW2001
What a sad thing, this man had to die. Mr. Ibrahim Hazbouni, the author of this "piece," left out nothing except that the caretaker's poor orphaned puppy now has no master. I'm sure he would have included his mother now having no son, except his mother has been dead for some time and there are surely some who would have pointed that out.

Since the Palistinians have been holed up in the church for three days, the caretaker managed to go back and forth unharmed the other two days? I mean, he never missed a day for most of his life, according to the author, Ibrahim Hazboun as he quotes one of the caretaker's relatives who spoke to him by telephone, HOLED UP INSIDE THE CHURCH.

Mr. Ibrahim Hazboun, writer for the AP, why didn't you mention the caretaker's last two days? Why didn't you tell us about conditions inside the church since you had a direct phone call with someone inside that church?

So many questions, so few answers. Why?

19 posted on 04/04/2002 3:44:26 PM PST by WillaJohns
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To: Alan Jackson
Most Palestinian Christians are very pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel

Most?

All is closer to the number.

20 posted on 04/04/2002 3:46:43 PM PST by jo6pac
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