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Not sure if this has been posted under another title. Anyway, Steyn is always worth reading and rereading.
1 posted on 03/10/2002 3:59:45 AM PST by jalisco555
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To: jalisco555
Steyn seems mostly right-on with the above. Thanks for the posting.
2 posted on 03/10/2002 4:16:33 AM PST by RAY
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*Regime changes in Iraq and Iran.

*The liquidation of Saudi Arabia, with the territory partitioned between Jordan and the less unenlightened Gulf emirs.

*The dissolution of NATO: America needs to stop overguaranteeing European security. For one thing, it allows EU governments to fritter their revenues on lavish welfare programs that allow young Arab immigrants to sit around plotting terrorism at the taxpayer's expense.

*The embrace by the Middle East of the same reforms Turkey embarked on 80 years ago.

1 and 4 might happen, they might not. 2 and 3 seem way, way too extreme and unlikely to me.

3 posted on 03/10/2002 4:21:11 AM PST by xm177e2
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To: jalisco555
As I said before in a post a few days ago, the end game has to be to destroy the enemy totally, not PC pandering. See Axis of Evil
4 posted on 03/10/2002 4:33:16 AM PST by TransOxus
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To: jalisco555; Pokey78
I haven't seen this article anywhere else, and it's a great read.

None of us wants to think about this or live like this. When the FBI urges us to be extra vigilant, we pay no attention.

Of course, if we had a clue what to pay attention to, it would help. I don't think I've seen anything they want to know about, but who can be sure?

I especially liked these lines:

In fact, tough questions would be welcome. But Byrd's and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle's criticisms are pathetic: They're about spin, posturing, about how it'll play on TV. In war, grownups don't have time for silly games in the congressional schoolyard.

America needs to stop overguaranteeing European security. For one thing, it allows EU governments to fritter their revenues on lavish welfare programs that allow young Arab immigrants to sit around plotting terrorism at the taxpayer's expense.


6 posted on 03/10/2002 4:45:34 AM PST by Amelia
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To: jalisco555
Great article bump.
7 posted on 03/10/2002 4:47:19 AM PST by livius
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To: jalisco555
Excellent article (i.e. typical Steyn). His "signs of how things will look when it's over" are right on point. I would add that there must be a change in Syria/Lebanon and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict must have some kind of resolution.
11 posted on 03/10/2002 7:56:34 AM PST by Faraday
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... a shame Byrd can't seem to understand that. Maybe if we applied the traditional courtesies of West Virginia politics and agreed to rename Afghanistan Robert C. Byrdistan,

Priceless.

12 posted on 03/10/2002 8:04:14 AM PST by aculeus
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when you go into the People's Republic of Basketcazia because you think General Ruthlez Bastardo would be a mild improvement on President Sy Kotik, but otherwise you've no vital interest at stake.

I had to laugh right out loud when I read this!

You don't have exit strategies when your national territory's been attacked; you have a responsibility to see the war through to the end.

This is probably the best answer I've seen on this.

13 posted on 03/10/2002 8:10:41 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: jalisco555,Grampa Dave,ladyinred,lent,FITZ,sabertooth,harpseal,squantos
Bump for later!
14 posted on 03/10/2002 8:55:04 AM PST by Travis McGee
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Dear Mister President You are not fighting the war quickly enough and therefore must stop at once and save the money for the one hundred and eighty-third Bobby-Bubba Bridge in WV -- and just let the bastards kill us all.

"Cordial-ly"

Bobby-Bubba Bird
Grand Wizard

15 posted on 03/10/2002 9:12:22 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: jalisco555
Mark Steyn is as creative and irascible as H L Mencken, but better analytically. The man has no peer, dead or alive.
20 posted on 03/10/2002 12:11:19 PM PST by gcruse
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To: jalisco555
You don't have exit strategies when your national territory's been attacked; you have a responsibility to see the war through to the end.

This has never been better said!

21 posted on 03/10/2002 1:12:43 PM PST by Gritty
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The dissolution of NATO: America needs to stop overguaranteeing European security. For one thing, it allows EU governments to fritter their revenues on lavish welfare programs that allow young Arab immigrants to sit around plotting terrorism at the taxpayer's expense.

I had never thought of this before but it's absolutely true. If the U.S. didn't guarantee our (European nations) security so overtly our governments would have to stop wasting our money on those who don't deserve it.

24 posted on 03/11/2002 1:49:58 AM PST by Cian
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To: jalisco555; pokey78; Snow Bunny; Alamo-Girl; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; Fred Mertz; onyx...
In war, grownups can't play silly games(Steyn alert)

Excerpt:

Not a tough choice, you'd think. But the six-month suspension of normal politics is taking its toll on Democrats. "We seem to be good at developing entrance strategies," Sen. Robert C. Byrd, West Virginia's porkmeister par excellence, whined the other day, "and not so good at developing exit strategies."

Well spotted, senator. Here's something else that will shock you: Churchill didn't have an "exit strategy" for World War II. Exit strategies are for optional foreign adventures, when you go into the People's Republic of Basketcazia because you think General Ruthlez Bastardo would be a mild improvement on President Sy Kotik, but otherwise you've no vital interest at stake. You don't have exit strategies when your national territory's been attacked; you have a responsibility to see the war through to the end.

It's a shame Byrd can't seem to understand that. Maybe if we applied the traditional courtesies of West Virginia politics and agreed to rename Afghanistan Robert C. Byrdistan, he could see his way to being supportive for a couple of more months. Honestly, I don't like to complain but, given that the Senate has a talent pool of 200 million to draw on, the 100 members of "the world's greatest deliberative body" have performed abysmally since Sept. 11. The headline on Jules Witcover's column in the Baltimore Sun read, "Democrats Ask Tough Questions On War." In fact, tough questions would be welcome. But Byrd's and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle's criticisms are pathetic: They're about spin, posturing, about how it'll play on TV. In war, grownups don't have time for silly games in the congressional schoolyard.
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26 posted on 03/12/2002 10:55:06 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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BTTT

I hope this gets widely read and (dare I hope) paid attention to by the Dems.

Oops, sorry, got carried away there for a minute...

That would be asking too much.

knews hound

30 posted on 03/12/2002 11:25:41 AM PST by knews_hound
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In other words, these are early days, and there are plenty of horrors to come. It's war, there's more, get used to it.

We KNOW this , the democrats can't accept a war,
it means their stranglehold grasp of domestic affairs is moot.

With out a foreign policy champion they are toast.

It galls them, but I like it.

31 posted on 03/12/2002 11:28:19 AM PST by tet68
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It's a shame Byrd can't seem to understand that. Maybe if we applied the traditional courtesies of West Virginia politics and agreed to rename Afghanistan Robert C. Byrdistan, he could see his way to being supportive for a couple of more months.

Priceless!

36 posted on 03/17/2002 8:40:37 PM PST by mrustow
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