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Report: US knows Karine A was headed for PA
Jerusalem Post ^

Posted on 01/07/2002 11:32:25 PM PST by IcommGen

(09:40) Report: US knows Karine A was headed for PA

It is reportedly clear to the US government that the weapons-laden Karine A vessel captured by Israeli naval commandos over the weekend was destined for the Palestinian Authority.

However, the US has refrained from issuing a statement indicating such in order to restrain a potential Israeli military response directed at the PA, American sources told Army Radio.

Omar Akawi, captain of the Karine A, said yesterday PA officials were directly involved in the purchase and smuggling of the 50 tons of arms it carried.

While US officials say privately they found PA Chairman Yasser Arafat's explanation of the Karine A unconvincing, the State Department yesterday refused to endorse Israel's version that the ship was commissioned by the PA. It said it is still studying the incident.

see entire news break (with links) at: http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2002/01/08/LatestNews/LatestNews.41316.html


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armsshipments; israel; karinea; palestinian
Come on America, it time to shed the "PC" bullshit that the West has created about Islam and call it like it is.

You know what they say... if it looks like a chicken and it walks like a chicken...

1 posted on 01/07/2002 11:32:25 PM PST by IcommGen
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To: IcommGen
By US, I think they mean US STATE DEPARTMENT.
2 posted on 01/07/2002 11:34:14 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: IcommGen
Yea. It would be impossible for Israel to covertly purchase 100 million dollars worth of Iran made weapons in order to frame PA. Not to mention the Hezbolah/Fatah people on board.
3 posted on 01/07/2002 11:35:22 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: IcommGen
... Kill it.
4 posted on 01/07/2002 11:40:35 PM PST by Robear
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To: BrooklynGOP
It is a bit hard to refute Iranian made arms coming from Iran, but Iran denied it anyway. It is also hard to refute a ship purchased by the PA as being used for the PA but they denied it anyway. It is also hard to refute that the Captain of the ship is a Palestinian Naval Officer, but deny, deny, and lie is the sum total of Palestinian diplomacy.

I can just see this in court in the states. "Judge I admit that I owned the car, and that I was driving the car when I was arrested, and I see that I was followed from the warehouse by both the Cops and the DEA, but I have no idea where the 2 1/2 tons of cocaine came from that the car was stuffed with. I protest being arrested, I am innocent, the drugs were a plant from one of the cops pockets!"

5 posted on 01/07/2002 11:48:24 PM PST by American in Israel
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To: virgil123
The real story here is that while they can't say it publicly, U.S. officials understand that the P.A. has good reasons to bring in these weapons to help defend the population from the Israeli onslaught using assasination teams, tanks, attack helicopters and warplanes.

Good one. Arafat started this intifadah. If the Israelis had their way the Palestinians would be stuck defending themselves with stones, and even then they would be crying in the press how the stonethrowing kids were brutalizing their soldiers.

Let's keep in mind how west bank came under Israel's control... Arabs attacked Israel...

8 posted on 01/08/2002 12:28:57 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Pissed Off Janitor
Virgil is a perfect example.
10 posted on 01/08/2002 12:36:36 AM PST by American in Israel
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To: Pissed Off Janitor
Arafat will also have you know that PLO was established in order to free the "occupied territories". However the territories came under the "occupation in" 1967, so Arafat must of had the foresight to foresee this act, because he founded PLO in 1964.
12 posted on 01/08/2002 12:42:56 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: virgil123
HaHaHa, a good use of sarcasm to lampoon the apoligists for the Islamic rock worshipers. Even an complete idiot couldn't believe the lies these Islamic squatters vomit forth.
13 posted on 01/08/2002 12:47:35 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: virgil123
Please point out the relevant passages in the oslo, tenet, Mitchell or any other document where swapping land for peace includes the PA importing these weapons? (oh, I get it, it's in the Koran...)
14 posted on 01/08/2002 12:48:34 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: BrooklynGOP
And Arafat is an Egyptian, so what's the palie thing? "Oh but the Jews are interlopers from Europe, oppressing the Arabs!" Oh, so its not about so-called palistinians, it's about Judenrein Arabia after all. I am shocked! </sarcasm off
15 posted on 01/08/2002 12:51:50 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: hsszionist;BrooklynGOP;
Bump for our Hindu allies telling the pakis to stuff it. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/603674/posts?page=2
16 posted on 01/08/2002 12:58:32 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda
Surprise..surprise.
17 posted on 01/08/2002 12:58:35 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: virgil123
You've got to be kidding me????? What universe do you live in?

The basis for the EXISTENCE OF THE PA, the soldiers it has that ISRAEL AND AMERICA ARMED AND TRAINED, and the landed that they recieved was based on OSLO (land for peace).

It explicitly forbids these weapons. If they aquire them, they've violated the pivotal part of Oslo, and thus negated not only their recognition in Israel and America (and most of the Western world) but the last that Israel gave them and should IMMEDIATELY TAKE BACK.

And armed Palestinian/Arab/Islamic/Dictatorship state in the West Bank and Gaza is a STRATEGIC THREAT to Israels very existence and will NEVER EXIST. Nuclear holocust in the Middle East will predate that event.

18 posted on 01/08/2002 12:58:45 AM PST by IcommGen
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To: Yehuda
The credibility of the Islamic apologists are on the line, admit the culpability of the PA and the uselessness of the Oslo accords, or, as has been the case since black rock worshiping started, lie.
19 posted on 01/08/2002 1:14:29 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: Yehuda
Dear Yehuda,

What you have to understand is that these weapons were to be used for purely peaceful purposes.

20 posted on 01/08/2002 1:20:41 AM PST by unending thunder
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To: hsszionist
black rock worshiping started...........

I'm going to steal that line!

21 posted on 01/08/2002 1:46:39 AM PST by dennisw
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To: IcommGen
And armed Palestinian/Arab/Islamic/Dictatorship state in the West Bank and Gaza is a STRATEGIC THREAT to Israels very existence and will NEVER EXIST. Nuclear holocaust in the Middle East will predate that event.

Absotively Posolutely!

22 posted on 01/08/2002 1:47:18 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: unending thunder;hsszionist;dennisw
What you have to understand is that these weapons were to be used for purely peaceful purposes.

- Yeah, and what we're not telling anyone is that we are shippping these weapons to the towns in Yesha!!

Letter Posted on ArmingIsrael.com: "Dear Yasser, Thanks for the saggers!

Coming to a Black Rock near you! Consult your local listings!"

23 posted on 01/08/2002 1:51:59 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda
The smartest thing Jews did in the last 2000 years was to make an Israel where we could be free to defend ourselves. The Muslims and the Euro anti Semites have been whining and plotting non stop ever since 1948.

Muslims just cannot handle the idea of Jews who are armed and ready to rumble if need be. Medieval idiots can only concieve of Jews as dhimmi.

24 posted on 01/08/2002 2:03:46 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw;brooklyngop;nix 2
Medieval idiots can only conceive of Jews as dhimmi.

and some modern ones here as well.

Admission to the range $10/person;
Price of ammo: $0.35 - $1 / cartridge;
Tips to Range Masters; $5 - $10 / every 3rd or 4th shooter;

The look on some of the other guests faces when we showed up at a Pennsylvania range 2 winters ago with 25 college - age Russian/American Jews, most of the men with kippot and tzitzit out...(and the women in long skirts): Priceless!

25 posted on 01/08/2002 2:54:44 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: virgil123
The real story here is that ... If the Israelis had their way the Palestinians would be living peacefully under their own fig trees.

But virgil123 can't say this publicly, because the Evil One and his minions would be in an uproar. So they resort to this fig leaf and constantly supporting Islamic terrorists and haters of Zion.

26 posted on 01/08/2002 4:41:12 AM PST by a_witness
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To: dennisw
:-)
27 posted on 01/08/2002 5:47:35 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: unending thunder
these weapons were to be used for purely peaceful purposes.

Such as, firing into the air while celebrating the latest terrorist attack on an Israeli disco, pizza parlor or New York skyscraper.

28 posted on 01/08/2002 5:54:08 AM PST by Alouette
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To: Yehuda
There's few things worse than being pummeled wih your own club.

Here's wishing Arafat and litter a bad day at Black Rock.
29 posted on 01/08/2002 5:54:55 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: Yehuda
Good story!!
30 posted on 01/08/2002 6:04:12 AM PST by dennisw
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To: virgil123
the Christian Zionists

This is the first time I have seen that title, but yes, I guess I go by that.

31 posted on 01/08/2002 6:17:47 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: virgil123
You mean to tell me you actually believe the pig swill the Islamics are putting out, incredable. It appears that I have misjudged your intent, and you represent my remarks. I should have added anti-semetic to the description.
36 posted on 01/08/2002 11:12:53 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: IcommGen

As First Reported on Debka, days ago!!!

DEBKAfile

Tuesday, January 8, 2002

HEADLINES
US State Department, Switching Course Tuesday,
 Accepts as Credible Israel’s Allegation that
 the Palestinian Authority Attempted to
Smuggle Arms by Sea


37 posted on 01/08/2002 11:15:21 AM PST by FresnoDA
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To: Yehuda
I only visited a firing range twice in Pen. Shot from ak-47 and a SKS.. Fun!
38 posted on 01/08/2002 11:25:52 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: virgil123
The intifada tarted when Israeli forces gunned down and killed five unarmed Palestinian stonethrowers at the Al Aqsa mosque. Read the Mitchell Report.

I suspect that you didn't read Mitchell report yourself. Please cut and paste. Even palestinians claim that Sharon set off the intifadah by stepping on Temple Mount. One of Arafat's top people told in a speech in lebanon, that the intifadah was planned way before, though. In the summer. It was all over FreeRepublic.

Let's keep in mind how west bank came under Israel's control... Israel attacked Egypt...twice...in 1956 and 1967.

Interesting. You fail to mention years of raids from Gaza into Israeli territory which lead to the war of 1956 (in which Israel was re inforced by English-French invasion). As of 1967. Israel's arab neighbors (quite a few of them!) massed their troops on Israel's borders, Nasser ordered the UN peacekeepers OUT - which indicates right there what his purpose was. What's more, Egypt closed the gulf of Aqaba to Israel - which under international law is equal to declaration of war. Who declared was on whom? 32 posted on 1/8/02 10:46 AM Pacific by virgil123

39 posted on 01/08/2002 11:48:08 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: virgil123
You don't mention that that occurred after Israel had expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes to foreign countries and that several thousand Palestinians were shot down in cold blood at the borders trying to return to Palestine. Read Benny Morris.

That's silly. Why would Israel expell hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, and yet keep a million in Israel's heartland?

You don't mention that the UN asked that the troops be deployed on the Israeli side of the border and Israel refused. They might get in the way of Israeli attack plans.

When was this?

This is after Israel had already invaded Egypt in 1956 and was only forced out by Eisenhower.

Open up a book. Israel was supported by England, France and USA in the war of 1956. Arabs were supported by the Soviets.

And what you call a declaration of war (a state of war already existed) by threatening to stop Israeli ships coming in on the Red Sea is what Israel just actually committed the other day by hijacking an Arab ship in international waters on the Red Sea.

You are contradicting yourself. First you say that Israel started the war, now you say that the state of war already existed. Which is it? And its not what I call a declaration of war. By international war, blockading via sea/ocean constitutes a declaration of war. As for "hijacking", didn't US hijack Arab ships last months? Didn't see you complaining.

41 posted on 01/08/2002 2:34:07 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: virgil123
the Warriors trilogy on U.S.-Middle East relations and of the unpublished Middle East Handbook, a

Whoa Mohammed! I am impressed!

43 posted on 01/08/2002 3:08:55 PM PST by tet68
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To: virgil123
That's all bull. The fact that you are quoting from washington-report.org shows that you are desperate. Show me at least 1 anti arab and 1 pro israel article from there.
46 posted on 01/08/2002 3:39:18 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: virgil123
So we are those anti Arafat articles?
48 posted on 01/08/2002 3:53:31 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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