Bush insists he'll block any effort to increase taxes

Washington Times ^ | 1/06/02 | Joseph Curl

[kattracks]

ONTARIO, Calif. — President Bush yesterday scoffed at claims by Democratic critics that his $1.3 trillion tax cut caused the current economic slowdown and warned them that new tax increases will pass only "over my dead body."

The president took indirect aim at Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, who Friday asserted that the president's 10-year tax-code restructuring passed in May has left America unable to meet its fiscal needs.

[Deep_6]

re:
"...over my dead body....."

Why oh why, do the Bushes make challenging remarks
when their party is not the majority?

The democrats forced Bush senior to make concessions
and then used those concessions against him, paraphrasing
and quoting his now infamous "read my lips" comment.

In fact, the democrats did such a fine job of brainwashing
the public, we even see so-called "conservatives" mocking
Bush senior's remark as well.

When the hell are they going to learn?

 

[kattracks]

fyi

[america-rules]

Lets get the freeking facts straight once and for all!

Bush I caved to the dems at camp David during the build up of the Gulf War in the tax increase because he wanted to get on with the war. They lied to his face and he never called them on it !

The Bush I team didn't even campaign for him because they thought he would have it locked and they were wrong. James Baker ended up running the Bush I re-election after they realized he was in trouble. The problem was it was in Aug just a couple months before the election.

The bottom line is if Bush I was actually running for re-election 6-12 months out he would have won easily. He sat on his ass and didn't think he could fail because of the success in Iraq--He was wrong !

Bush II learned from Bush I and he won't make the same mistake and you can bet on it !

[GeronL]

Bush senior went back on his word and should be mocked by conservatives.

BTW- The GOP does have a House majority and are just a vote down in the Senate (a couple of 'conserative' Dem's wanted Bush's economic stimulus and not Dascholes.

[GeronL]

I remember Limbaugh backed Buchanan in the 92 primary too, thats how bad Bush senior had it. And they got no clue from even that.

[america-rules]

Bush I had a ZERO domestic policy and Bush II has plenty to work from so they can't be compared at all.

Bush II also has a recession that is probably over now and it he will probably have a 3.5% growth in the US economy in 02-04 so he is in good shape to make the "No Tax Increase Over My Dead Body" pledge !

[Deep_6]

re:
"...He sat on his ass and didn't think he could fail because
 of the success in Iraq--He was wrong !...........

......Bush II learned from Bush I and he won't make the
same mistake and you can bet on it !...."

I'll agree in part. Bush 1 did sit on his ass and that bothered
the hell out of me. I felt (and I'm not of a conspirator mind-set),
that his opponent (clintbag) had some sort of weapon to use
if Mr. Bush swung too hard. That may never be known.

But the democrats had the majority in both houses and there
was little if anything, that Bush senior could have done. I do
feel he owed the public a full disclosure of all that was happening
behind the scenes, to offer a decent explanation of his failure
to stand behind his "read my lips" statement, but Mr. Bush 1
was not of that nature.

Bush junior is giving himself to the public and remaining in
the spotlight as bill clinton did. For that reason, I have the
hopes that your second statement might be correct.

The public; his constituents, deserve all the information he
can offer, regarding every move and proposal he makes.

His father neglected to go before the public. That, was his
failure.

I voted for both, and I would do it again. They are both
of the highest caliber of Presidential material.

(in my opinion)

Thanks

 

[GeronL]

yes, and maybe we can slash the capital gains tax and end the alternative minimum tax once and for all. I am a poor guy, very poor, but I know a good idea when I hear one.

[goldstategop]

Its a good idea. The government doesn't create jobs or lead an economic recovery in this country: the individuals who live in it do. If this country doesn't want to go down the road of Argentina, we need to eliminate the income tax, cut government spending, and disabuse people of the notion the government provides them things like a prescription drug benefit for seniors for "free." The problem is Tommy Daschund and the demagogic liberals have scared half of the people of this country into thing you can have it all and there's no real price involved in the government running your life. Well Argentines bought it and they can tell you what that's left them with: NOTHING. President Bush spelled out he'd stop the Rats from raising taxes but now he needs to offer a domestic policy alternative that works. So the Rats can't claim he doesn't care how people are faring in the economy.

[GeronL]

Like I said I am poor... I don't want to stay that way.

[Howlin]

This is a whole different Bush, IMO. You know I have always supported him; I've never denied it. But even I have been shocked at his spine.

I am convinced he will make a fight to the death. He's put the words in play; let the Democrats explain to the American people why they need more money to spend.

[Howlin]

I'll share something else with you -- whether you care or not.......LOL.

I honestly believe that Bush 41 believed that the country would SEE through Bill Clinton back in '92. And I don't think he realized that he had to get down in the dirt with him. He was a gentlman and was stunned that Clinton was able to lie with such abandon and get away with it.

[Cobra64]

As long as W is consistent in standing by all of his original principles (which he has done so far); if the Dems continue to block his stimulus package or even raise taxes, W can use Ronnie's famous phrase to the Libs, "Well, there you go again" when they tried to block everything Ronnie ever tried to do when he was Commander in Chief.

My prediction is that W will do okay just as long as he is CONSISTENT AND STEADFAST as long as he is in office. He wouldn't have hired guys liek Rumsfeld (read Rummy's Rules) if he did not have the same moral character as Rummy. These two guys must have a strong dovetail in their thinking and commitment to America. As for Powell, Ashecroft and Rice, my opinion on these folks is still under consiferation. As for Cheney, I know he's one clever SOB and is scrutinizing everything going on in DC. Don't count him out. If you think W is tough, can't think of anyone I'd rather have in my corner than Dick Cheney.

[goldstategop]

Of course not. I don't stand what's wrong with getting and being rich.

[goldstategop]

oops I meant understand. I think we should be able to have as much money in our pockets as we want and there's not a darn thing the government should be able to do about it.

[GeronL]

I said I was poor... but I am in the top 5% of the planets population even if I am freeloading off family. (no government benefits for me)

A possible exception is that I think I busted a rib, somehow and if I have to get 'free' care at the county hospital I am gonna feel BAD about it. I'll probably end up volunteering to pay penance (sic) or something.

BTW- I think, without any medical experience, I might have cracked a rib. I had a really bad cough... very strong cough. I didn't even take cough medicine for a while and I think some strong coughs busted the rib. (They were that strong)

I might just ask them to tell me whats wrong and not accept any treatment more than being wrapped up tightly with an Ace bandage or something.

The only reason I am online right now instead of sleeping is because its hurts more to lie down than sit.

why did I just share all that?? =o)

[Deep_6]

re:
"..I honestly believe that Bush 41 believed that the country 
would SEE through Bill Clinton back in '92. And I don't think
he realized that he had to get down in the dirt with him....."

Go a step further. The entire party thought people had sense
enough to see through that scumbag, and the party carried too
many honorable people that felt we shouldn't have mud fights.

We witnessed more propaganda from the democrat camp
in one campaign, than in perhaps all the previous campaigns
this Nation's ever lived through. We witnessed a media blitz
that comforted the clintons throughout their entire presidency.
How in hell can anyone fight that? They forced out Newt,
among other of our most prominent Republicans. And they
convinced those in the Republican party (read some archived
posts to FR), that they had to do it. 

INSANE! It was insane.

Bush senior was a fighter. If he entered a contest, it was 
to win and he fought to win. In his last campaign, he didn't 
move from his seat; he didn't fight at all and appeared to
"roll over", to most of us.

Was our resident tin-foil hat conspiracy right? Did it have
anything to do with Mena Arkansas? Did the former
Arkansas governor know something about the former
intelligence official - Bush?

I have trouble believing it was Bush senior's overconfidence.
He already fell in the polls since the Gulf War. The democrat
media's propaganda that Saddam should have been removed;
that Bush did not do his job well, totally covered the fact that
the replacement for Saddam would have been his son, a worse
scenario than before (that son was since shot, incapacitated,
and now near death). Again, read the archived posts to FR
to see the media's effect on the public; on our own.

The democrat media blitz convinced those that should have
stood fast behind George Bush senior, that he was inferior.
We continue to see the results here on FR. And they attempted
to convince us Bush II was inferior (archived posts, anyone?),
but we managed to pull together under the guise that we had no
other choice; it was GW or Gore.

I'm thankful we accomplished that. There are some that remain,
even here on FR, that continue to chant about GW's inferiority,
but the majority continue to support him.

I hope we can keep that support through 2004.

Thanks.

 

(oh, and you don't have to care about what I say either!)

[GailA]

Some one ought to get him to talk to his buddy Don Taxquist (R) TN...this RINO only refrain is MORE TAXES. Hmmm...maybe someone ought to send taxquist the phone number for Ameridebt debt counseling service its FREE.

[Deep_6]

re:
"..Some one ought to get him to talk to his buddy Don Taxquist (R) TN
...this RINO only refrain is MORE TAXES......"

I'll get flamed for the following, but it has to be said:

Politicians listen to those that put them in office. They don't
know, by name or sound of voice, who put them in office,
so they can only listen to those that are the loudest claimants
to be who put them in office.

If your elected official isn't listening to his real constituents,
it's only because you haven't taken the time to rally those
constituents to speak up and be heard.

Politics has become dirtier than before (if that's possible?),
and it will take a constant vigil to get what we pay for. Those
wishing to undermine the "conservative effort" will take the
form of conservatives and rally for a different cause. They
will bait, trap and troll for those that will paint the conservative
branch as pale and dirty as they can.

We see it here on FR daily. And it will take a constant vigil to
succeed in all elections.

Don't blame the one you elected, blame those that aren't
taking time to rally and be heard.

As Carville once said (and has never renounced): "This is War"

 

Thanks

[doug from upland]

Thanks for the heads up. Although I was fairly close, at the time I really didn't know he got that emotional.

[Howlin]

I agree 100 percent. The phrase "we never knew what hit us" comes to mind. This was all BEFORE we realized the rules of the game had not only changed, but had been totally discarded!

[harpo11]

"Not over my dead body will they raise your taxes"


Now that's what I call manly!

"Mr. Bush said to thunderous cheers at a town-hall meeting in this city with a large Hispanic population."

[Howlin]

BTW, your post flies in the face of all the naysayers on FR who continue to rant that "you just don't see good posting like in the good old days." I enjoyed reading it. Thanks for taking the time to post it.

[harpo11]

***"He was a gentlman and was stunned that Clinton was able to lie with such abandon and get away with it."***

13 posted on 1/6/02 12:17 AM Pacific by Howlin

Howlin, so very true, but so many other good gentlemen were willing to give Clinton a pass which has been so disheartening and
harmful to our country and our future.

[Deep_6]

Do you realize you agreed with me twice in one day?
[holy crap]       </blush>

I'd like to tell you [in case you forgot?] that I do have
a great habit of working against the grain of many
a said "conservative" on "FR". I'm a firm believer
in freedom [albeit not libertarian style] and often
appear to lean to the left on social issues. Fiscally
however, I'm far to the right.

So with all that said.....

I thank you for your kind words regarding my posts
to this thread.

 

[sabe@q.com]

Budget bills are originated in the house which is in a Rep majority.

[cactmh]

Until you manage to make it to the local city commission, please don't act like you know anything about politics. Just because his old man couldn't follow through doesn't mean he can't. Plus, do you know where appropriations come from? Hint: It's the legislative body where Republicans DO have control.

[Howlin]

and often appear to lean to the left on social issues. Fiscally however, I'm far to the right.

Make that THREE times! ROFLMAO. I'm one of the "immoral" conservatives, remember????

[Deep_6]

didja' take notice of the last few posts?

Whoooie.... I guess I hit another sore spot
with a couple of those Re-pseudo-cans. [snicker]

I luv FR!

[Howlin]

It is/was disheartening. And it makes my blood pressure boil. We spend an inordinate amount of time around here talking back to the TV -- all 3 of them!

[horsewhispersc]

Bush insists he'll block any effort to increase taxes

Wow.......He shakes my nerves and Rattles my brain when he speaks!......Goodness Gracious, Great Balls of Fire! lol

[Deep_6]

What - - do you people work in teams?

To pass anything, you need a majority. We didn't
have it in GB 1's days and we don't have it now.

And if you think that only your brand of conservatism is
the absolute correct brand, then you had best get a grip.
There are many many other people in this fine Nation that
have hope, plans and ideals that differ from yours. Learn to
compromise and you'll gain a ton more.

Or...... you can go have lunch with Pat Buchanan. [be
prepared to use your card]

[sabe@q.com]

I disagree. Even the Dem controlled senate held to the spending limits set by Pres. Bush.

[Twodees]

No, you're wrong. It's the real conseratives who mocked Wobbly. It's the so-called "conservatives" who are making excuses for him now. GHW wasn't a conservative president. He deserves honest scrutiny, and conservatives deserve better than having his faults glossed over in the interest of rewriting GOP history. That kind of nonsense has been a GOP hallmark for 130 years.

[Twodees]

[To pass anything, you need a majority]

Yeah, sure. Tell that to Ronald Reagan. Reagan had a democrat majority in the House to contend with on his tax measures. It takes courage and the ability to articulate ideas to use the media access a President has for reaching the citizenry. Wobbly didn't have either. He was an ineffectual communicator of conservative ideals because he isn't a conservative. He was also a clumsy manipulator, and the people he needed to vote for him were the intelligent conservatives who could see through his duplicity. The way he sold the war he ultimately fumbled turned millions of voters against him. His insistence on waxing rhapsodic about his "new world order" and his absolute treachery in issuing an "assault weapon" ban by EO sealed his fate with conservatives.

This crap of rewriting recent history is insulting, and neocon pundits and strategists should stop it. Most conservative voters active today remember Wobbly's treachery all too clearly and the nonsensical polls showing his high approval ratings after fumbling the conclusion of the war must have been polls of fickle democrats. Conservatives cursed Wobbly for three years before we decided to let him twist in the wind at reelection time.

Anyone who actually likes W should be drawing distinctions between him and his father. Wobbly doesn't have any really admirable traits, so any that W has probably came from his mother's side of the family.

[Wphile]

It is also important to note that W was not an integral part of the political campaign - compared to 1988. I think had he been involved, Bush I may have fared better. GW is an astute politician.

Don't forget the media culpability in electing Bill Clinton either. Remember Time mag calling him a wimp?

GW remembers what happened to his Dad and did not try to defend him when asked about the pledge and the breaking of it. All he said was "well, Dad said it and broke it - it's on the record."