"Muhammad, Islam, and Terrorism" The Ugly Truth about Islam

Answering Islam ^ | September 12, 2001 | Bob Glenn

[BobfromMichigan2001]

Dear Friends, please tell everyone you know to read this article. It reveals the ugly truth about Islam that everyone should know.

[orlop9]

Bump for future reading

[BobfromMichigan2001]

Thanks for the Bump. I think this article is super important. I do not think that most Americans have any idea of just how evil Islam actually is. I wish there were some way to get more Freepers to read this. Or at least they could skim it and just read the red and blue highlighted text in the article. BobfromMichigan

[freefly]

If you look at the Christian bible...in particular the Old Testament,
you can see many actions that look just as "evil" as has been pointed out here.
The dark ages were justified by Christian "leaders" using selective passages from the Bible, as well as numerous other horrors.
I believe there is a passage in the Bible re: casting the log out of your own eye before looking for the speck in the other guy's.
It seems appropriate here.

[RichardW]

Amazing research. We still have a politically correct press and government who will ignore such information at our danger. This author is probably in great peril. I am personally convinced that this will be racheted up to such a level that nuclear weapons will finally be employed to end this calamity. Anything less than unconditional surrender is a delusion. This, in many ways, is far more dangerous than even WWII was because we don't know who our enemies are or where they can be found. Unfortunately, it now appears that they are among us.

[freefly]

"Name ONE Islamic country that has a immigrants waiting to get in."

I'm not saying that their "leaders" arn't scum on the bottom of a chamber pot...
I'm just saying that blaming the religion for their actions is simply not valid.
That's what the Taliban has done.
It's demonized Christians and Americans AS A GROUP and uses that to justify terrorism.
I don't like seeing "us" make the same mistake, using the same arguments, as they do.

[Francohio]

You don't get it freefly.

The Crusades, and even the Inquisition, were and are not central or major tenets of Christianity as a belief system. You are persisting in attempting to understand Islam as an Anglican might attempt to understand a Methodist.

Freefly, that isn't going to work for you. JIHAD is THE foundation of Islam.
In regard to American Muslims: if they want to live here, they must follow our laws. That would mean that they must abandon many of the beliefs and practices of their religion: e.g. JIHAD, polygamy and female circumcision. Our laws say we must tolerate all religions, And in regard to Islam, Official America looks the other way.

However, it would be absolute folly to expect them to tolerate us as we do them.

[Leisler]

Ah, pretty weak. Christians are compelled to obey the New Testament. The old testament, in itself, is not the christian religion.

[freefly]

"..it would be absolute folly to expect them to tolerate us as we do them."

First, let me say that I am NOT a student of Islam.
I've read the religious writings of a variety of faiths and find it interesting how people choose to interpret them.
That being said, what I HAVE read always showed that Islam is SUPPOSED to be one of the most tolerant of religions.
It teaches that G*d is who would judge man, not other men, that any practitioner of another religion, including Jews,
Christians, etc, had just as good a chance as any Muslim of being favored by G*d.
Granted, that is NOT what is taught now by the current religious leaders (another concept that originally should not exist in Islam),
but it is not the 1st time that politics and religion have been combined to hold power over a people.
Or the last.
Like I say, what Islam says and what is being done in it's name do not seem to match up...
Any more than what the Bible really says/means and what the religious leaders taught did not match up during the dark ages.

[freefly]

"Christians are compelled to obey the New Testament. The old testament, in itself, is not the christian religion."

I would agree.
(However, a lot of Christians would not...)
But, as I said, for a LONG part of the last 2000 years, the Old Testament was given at least as much weight
as the New (depending on what the "teacher/leader" wanted to justify) by Christians.
And, as I understand it, it is closely related to the Jewish Talmud/Torah...and the Jews do not acknowledge the
New Testament as being from a prophet of G*d (Jesus Christ) at all (apologies in advance if I am mistaken).
They base their religion off of the teachings of the Old Testament prophet Moses (more apologies).

Point being, religious writings of most of the major religions can look (or be made to look) quite ugly.
A lot of evil has been done in G*d's name.
I doubt that He approves of any of it.

[Aquinasfan]

I've long believed that nations like the United States can only tolerate a very small minority population of Muslims or Hindus. I stand by that belief.

[orlop9]

What one man views as blue, another may see as green. Sometimes, if they're stuborn enough, they might argue the matter, if they're dumb enough, they may choose to fight over the disagreement.
When man makes interpretations of ancient texts, he views them through the prism of his own life and experiences.
Osama bin Laden is not the first charismatic leader to convince followers to commit suicide.

[freefly]

"...if they're dumb enough, they may choose to fight over the disagreement."

I agree 100%.
From what I have read, I do not believe that anyone,
of any major religion, will stand before G*d, say
"Arn't you glad I killed those dirty unbelievers?"
and find any approval forthcoming.

[P-Marlowe]

Like I say, what Islam says and what is being done in it's name do not seem to match up...

If there were someone out there who drove a plane into a building in the name of Christ, every true Christian in the World would condemn it and seek to have that person killed and every one of his followers eliminated from the face of the Earth.

To murder in the name of Christ is blasphemy of the worst sort. Apparently, however, to murder in the name of Mohammed or in the name of Islam is not. Where are the thousands and millions of Islamic people who are willing to call this act blasphemy of the worst sort? Perhaps they don't call it that because they don't think it is.

[timestax]

NO other religion advocates suicide like the Shiite Islam religion, and even they don't. The Talaban leaders are flat out lying to their nit wit devotees. Any comments??

[BobfromMichigan2001]

Here is my opinion. I think that America was founded by Christians on Christian principles. I think that America was the most thoroughly Christian nation yet seen in History. I think America failed in some respects where she departed from Biblical principles, but overall I explain the source of America's prosperity and America's individual liberties as coming from Christianity. I explain the slavery & poverty & suffering in India & Pakistan & Afghanistan & Africa & Asia by the fact that they follow false religions that produce ugly societies. Jesus Christ and Christianity are the hope of the world IMHO. Bob.

[P-Marlowe]

Any comments??

Name a few Islamic clerics or leaders who have condemned terrorism in the name of Isalm as blasphemy. There is a professor in Pakistan who may go to his death for blasphemy for saying the Muhammed had underarm hair. But will they condemn bin Laden or Hamas as blasphemers? I haven't heard it yet.

[freefly]

"If there were someone out there who drove a plane into a building in the name of Christ, every true Christian in the World would condemn it and seek to have that person killed and every one of his followers eliminated from the face of the Earth. "

Would they?
Sure, if it was a Christian splinter group that did it.
But, if someone out there nukes the men, women, and children of Afganastan
in the name of "righteous revenge", how many Christians will be cheering?
Will it be that much different because it is being done by OUR government
instead of by a government made up of religious extremists?
I suspect that the terrorists looked at the many actions of the United States during the clinton years and,
after counting up the dead, felt fully justified in using their lives as weapons against the American people.
Especially with their "leaders" painting our entire society as hate-filled, complacent, hedonist religious fanatics.

I certainly don't approve of the terrorist's actions.
It doesn't matter to me what their reasons are.
Making war against civilians is WRONG...no matter who does it or why.
And I definitly believe that anyone that was part of the operation deserves to be hunted down and punished.
I could do the job personally without a qualm then go home and sleep like a baby.
But I can also put myself in their place and see that they probably looked at any number
of things that clinton (for example) did in the last 8 years and said:
"He killed those people, the people of the US let him. Now it's time for them to pay."
Since they have no long range bombers or missles, they did it the low-tech way.
Now we have a lot of Christians in this country doing pretty much the same thing.
"They killed our people and the people of that country allowed their leaders to promote this.
They deserve any misery we can dump on them."
We won't do it with terrorists flying commercial planes, we will do it with HE and (probably) nukes.
And, chances are excellent that more innocent men, women, and children will die.
Their blood will not be any less red than that of our dead.
They will be missed by friends and family just as much.
And their "leaders" and "troups" will get more justification to continue creating more misery.
(I HOPE that those truly responsible will be targeted and taken out...
unfortunatly that happens all too seldom, a terrorist "army" can hide all too easily.)

I will not blame Muslims for the actions of their government
any more than I would blame Christians for the excesses of clinton.
I will not act like or think like the Taliban does.
I don't care whether terrorism is done by a lone nutcase with a firebomb, a small group with flight tickets and a knife,
or by an airforce with the full backing of a government, I want to see terrorism come to an end.
To end terrorism we have to punish the GUILTY, not the innocent.
When you punish the innocent, you create more reason for hate and ultimatly more terrorism.
If we justify actions against civilians by demonizing an entire people because of their religion,
then there is not much difference between us and the Taliban.
The Taliban is company that I don't care to keep.

[P-Marlowe]

Would they?

You are about as bright as a 1 watt bulb.