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California Governor Newsom Stands by Plan to Base Electricity Bills on Income vs. Usage As Even Democrat Lawmakers Revolt
Red State ^ | 02/04/2024 | Mike Miller

Posted on 02/04/2024 9:12:22 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 02/04/2024 9:12:22 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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Typical dumber-than-dirt dimmocrap thinking. Why bother to conserve energy if you are a high income person then? And why not burn your lights and gas day and night if you are low income?


2 posted on 02/04/2024 9:16:51 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: SeekAndFind

Do the same for Auto registration.


3 posted on 02/04/2024 9:18:19 PM PST by NoLibZone (We have the nation we deserve The bad guys are willing to protest and riot while we email.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Will the barons bow to their king?


4 posted on 02/04/2024 9:19:38 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Two observations:

1. If I were ‘well-to-do’ (owning a business), I’d have the house set up with solar/wind power, and attempt to limit my use of commercial power to 10-percent or less...of my needs. The power companies would soon realize that the normal use plan for the grid is screwed-up.

2. The middle-class (not in the well-to-do club) would soon realize that they are paying 150 to 250 percent of what was normal. It might take several years, but most would ask why stay, and plan a exit strategy. Home prices would start by 2030 to drop because there isn’t much interest in getting a home with extra electrical cost.


5 posted on 02/04/2024 9:22:13 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: SeekAndFind

My guess is that they are so PO’s because this will hit all of them harder.

It’s amazing how democrats will oppose any plan that has a negative impact on quality of THEIR lives and finances.


6 posted on 02/04/2024 9:26:56 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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Does that mean that people with no income get free electricity?


7 posted on 02/04/2024 9:27:43 PM PST by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: SeekAndFind

From each according to his ability. And to each according to his need.
Where have you heard that begore?


8 posted on 02/04/2024 9:33:03 PM PST by Fungi
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Does that mean that people with no income get free electricity?

There are a lot of very wealthy people who have zero income.

Picture the optic of poor people being forced to subsidize the mansions of the ultra-wealthy in California.

9 posted on 02/04/2024 9:39:04 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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Yes, I know. That was why I was asking.

I am far from wealthy but I have no income.


10 posted on 02/04/2024 9:45:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Tiered prices would do it better.

A low rate for a small amount of usage for a poor and/or super frugal home, a normal rate for a wide range in the middle of normal usage, a higher rate for high usage, and an exorbitant rate for the mansions that have the usage of apartment complexes, that would be the way for conservation purposes.

It wouldn’t be the best way for large, even huge immigrant households that are great at hiding income.

I’m noticing that many poverty programs are not geared toward non-immigrant Americans and the elderly but are focused on the lifestyles and households of foreigners.


11 posted on 02/04/2024 9:46:42 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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What happens to your city, (and eventually your state), when you keep voting Democrat https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4214864/posts Click on Link at top of the article
12 posted on 02/04/2024 10:04:16 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Never be a slave in a new Socialist America.)
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even as public and political opposition to the idea builds in the Democratic coalition

Governor, please save us from our own bill.

13 posted on 02/04/2024 10:07:34 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: SeekAndFind

This also essentially ensures Newsom will not be the post-Biden replacement, since there is no way this idea can be supported nationwide.


14 posted on 02/04/2024 10:16:13 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: pepsionice

The income based fee structure isn’t based on usage. It’s strictly a fee to be connected to the grid. So if you make $180K in San Diego, you would pay $128/month + whatever power you use.

If you have solar power with a battery storage system that could cover your consumption, plus a generator for backup, you could avoid the fee by disconnecting from the grid.


15 posted on 02/04/2024 10:16:31 PM PST by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind

What a GOLD MINE for cryptocurrency!

Miners can hook all their servers to some poor dude’s house, and reimburse said poor dude for the $20 bucks a month or whatever is billed for the gigawatt hours at that meter.

Talk about an idea so dumb it could only be produced by an intellectual!


16 posted on 02/04/2024 10:21:24 PM PST by Go_Raiders (An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur? - Axel Oxenstierna)
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To: SeekAndFind

Communism.


17 posted on 02/04/2024 10:22:23 PM PST by Allegra (Less propaganda would be appreciated. )
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Except that it is a new income based flat rate for “delivery/infrastructure” PLUS the regular usage per kWh at a slightly reduced rate per KWh.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/local/2023/09/13/californias-future-with-income-based-flat-fee-utility-bills-is-getting-closer

https://grist.org/energy/income-based-electric-bills-the-newest-utility-fight-in-california/


18 posted on 02/04/2024 10:30:47 PM PST by Drago
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To: EinNYC

I think they will vary the rate per hour, not the total charge.


19 posted on 02/04/2024 10:31:00 PM PST by alternatives?
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“I think they will vary the rate per hour, not the total charge.”

They could do this, but others point out there is a fixed component that they want to vary. I don’t know any difference in this versus an increase in taxes. Not sure how proposed plan changes usage.


20 posted on 02/04/2024 10:35:04 PM PST by alternatives?
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