Posted on 12/19/2022 6:56:40 PM PST by lowbridge
Only one problem with that. When it's cold, it's cold everywhere. So everybody turns on their resistive heater. See TX Feb 2021.
This is brought to us by people so ignorant and arrogant they believe they can control the weather. Yet, no
one is allowed to challenge the unproved theory that forces us into this nonsense.
Don't forget the super-bonus of extra dry air in the winter. Stay away from the cat!
Heat pumps work well down here in the south. North of the Mason-Dixon line they don’t. Also, will there be enough electricity available?
Boilers with a stainless steel snail shell sort of internal shape made by Energy Kinetics. They have a very sophisticated controller compared to most that after it gets up to temp shuts down the burner.
The burner kicks back on when the temp falls to around 100 degrees.
When the thermostat stops calling for heat, after the burner shuts down, the circulator pump continues to run until all of the useful heat is gone. It contains only 2.5 gallons of water unlike other boilers that have 35 or more, so it heats much quicker. I got a very early one, about 30 years ago, with a 10 zone controller.
You can get get ones fueled by gas or oil.
I did all of the installation myself, replacing a furnace with all of the forced hot air ducts with pipes, tubing, baseboard and under floor radiant heat.
Is 5,000 BTU's of heat useful when it is zero F?
I don't know yet. That is why the System 2000 will remain in place.
If you get one, power vent it outside the house, do NOT vent it out your chimney! Boilers this efficient have a too low stack temperature and water will condense and freeze in your flue, destroying the chimney. Do not vent it where you park your car, the gasses will corrode it, also not near your phone or electrical boxes for the same reason.
Make SURE no "professional" HVAC guy puts the controller in maintenance mode and leaves it that way. It will then run like a "normal" boiler, costing a LOT of fuel and money. I met one who bragged about doing this to a System 2000 in a neighbor's house, saying he does it to all of them he works on. What an IDIOT, disabling the sophisticated controller that is the key to the System 2000 efficiency.
My main question is what are you really heating with when it is zero?
Same as above, I don't know yet. The coldest it's been at night is 5 F above and it produced enough heat to keep the area of the house we mostly use in the winter at 75 degrees.
But then, I also fire the System 2000 for a while each day to keep the concrete in our kitchen floor warm, which is probably actually an hour or two of actual burn time with it shutting down each time it gets to 180 degrees with a .7 gallon per hour nozzle. So I am heating with both. When I install more solar water heating panels, they will be dedicated to heating concrete.
How much does it cost for that heat per hour (roughly)?
I'll try to figure it out here. The boiler, for an average day so far, maybe 1 gallon, perhaps 2 if we are having to heat domestic hot water if it's cloudy for more than 2 days in a row and if we want some hot water. So call it $3 or so. For electricity, maybe $6.30 a day. That also includes two on demand, point of use, tankless heaters I added, one for the kitchen, 2.2 KW and the bathroom 7.2 KW, which can be wired for 9.6 KW, which I might change up to soon. So maybe a total of $9 to $10 a day. I'll have a better idea at the end of winter. Divide $9.50 by 24, about 40 cents an hour.
what is the entire heating system cost (including what someone would have charged you for installation)?
OMG!, LOL! First I would have to find someone to design what I've done, which would be almost impossible. Working with a Victorian Era Money Pit is very different from a straight on installation. It's more like an industrial process system than a house, with so far three heat exchangers, 4 pumps many valves, three controllers, baseboard heat throughout, radiant floor heat on about 1/2 of the first floor, etc. If I had someone else design and install it, at the minimum, $30,000 and probably far, far more.
I personally know of around 20 people who could do it, and none of them are in the HVAC business.
Not that there aren't HVAC folks that could do it, I just don't happen to know them.
They would have to "think outside the box" to do it.
BTW, I was walking around a town a few days ago looking at the mini splits on commercial buildings.
I tend to criticize my own work, thinking some of it could be better, and it could, but mine looks great compared to all of the "professionally" done hack jobs I saw. All of the electrical hookups looked excellent, but the HVAC lines and their coverings were all in one way or another a mess.
Just get Mr. Cool and DIY. The lines are already charged as well as the inside and outside units.
Just watch ALL of the Youtube videos on installing Mr. Cool first. I used a little info from each of them.
That's BS.
It's for illegals.
Economic choices through government planning. It didn’t work in the Soviet Union, it won’t work here. It will destroy the economy and put people into poverty.
After yearslong pause, 208-apartment complex near Micron site is moving ahead
Behind a paywall, but the article claims that the vast majority of housing that will be going up for this will be multi-family dwellings.
Those are apartments, not houses.
And it doesn't look like there are any plans for a house boom anytime soon. So those apartments are for people who may not stick around once the plant is built, or they are for other people entirely.
BTW, that plant has got huge federal and state subsidies. So taxpayers are screwed there, too.
Thanks for the notice, Deep State. It won't be a problem for us. We won't be here. And since we had to brains to buy a really inexpensive home, selling it won't be a problem.
And I don’t know about anywhere else in NYS, but in my Upstate neck if the woods it is now harder than hell to find a trustworthy, competent contractor to do anything.
And that doesn’t even address the cost and wait time if you can find one.
From 2 years ago...
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-underbuilding-housing-over-the-past-decade-2020-9
“...However, starts for single-family units are still low relative to years before the Great Recession and the housing bubble.”
IOW, we’re building apartments, not houses.
That is not good.
Every single day it is demonstrated that the decision I made to leave New York State, way back in the year 2000, was the best decision of my life.
I just replaced my worn out 12 year old heat pump compressor and gas furnace HVAC system. 12 years old!
A Goodman Heat pump connected to a Rheem propane furnace. Junk, junk junk. Almost from day 1 the Goodman heat pump had issues.
I replaced it with a Trane heat pump & gas furnace. I would never rely on just a heat pump, even though they are better today, they just can’t handle real cold weather. I certainly hope I get more than 12 years out of the Trane.
Laz, every state is one stolen election away from becoming NYS, CA, IL...
As long as Deep State can steal elections at will, there is no safe state to move to.
And that includes FL and TX.
We have a place is Susquehanna County PA and there is not one shred of evidence that it has hurt the environment. Period. This is such a STUPID policy.
Yeah, we’re pretty much all screwed.
I mean, at some point, when it looks like you will starve in the cold, isn’t it time to strike at those who put you there?
The word you are looking for is MALEVOLENT.
Yup.
This isn’t stupid.
It’s evil.
Laz, Deep State is a lot smarter than the Redcoats and Confedrates were.
We don’t know who’s really running this ****show.
And thanks to modern tech, Deep State has ways to fight that our nation’s previous enemies could only dream of.
Right now I think only two things might save us...
One: Nationwide civil disobedience on a scale that has never before been seen. And we would literally all have to hang together on that or hang separately.
Or two: A military coup.
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