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Explainer: Why is Russia Trying So Hard to Capture the Small Ukrainian City of Bakhmut?
The Moscow Times ^ | December 12, 2022 | James Beardsworth

Posted on 12/12/2022 2:04:22 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

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To: ought-six; cranked

“That’s because he is just spewing what his handlers provide him.”

Yes, it must be hard for cranked.

Each day his handlers send him here with information easily proven false.

So day after day he suffers embarrassment and loss of face. Being demeaned like that for months in a row must hurt.


61 posted on 12/12/2022 2:50:29 PM PST by Renfrew
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To: cranked

Production capabilities vs current usage rates.


62 posted on 12/12/2022 2:51:07 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every leftist is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
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To: Chunga85

“Russia has refrained from US style shock and awe”

We, this isn’t true since Russia has reduced most cities in the east to absolute rubble. They just can’t shock and awe with missiles because even when they were firing 100 cruise missiles a day at Ukrainian infrastructure, 70 to 80% were still getting shot down. Russia declared victory over Ukraine’s Air power 3 or 4 dozen times but can’t get into Ukrainian air space without losses.

Please stop copying and pasting fake Russian news to post on FR. Think clearly and objectively and you’ll see all the lies you just posted for what they are.


63 posted on 12/12/2022 2:51:09 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: cranked

It’s an old saying; long before your time.


64 posted on 12/12/2022 2:51:23 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

“Have you ever spoken to Ukrainians about their incandescent hatred of Russia and Russians?”

And have you spoken to Ukrainians in the four Donbass regions and asked them how they felt/feel about the Nazi-infested ZelenskyyIdiot Regime and that of the US involvement in Maidan in 2014 which then led to those four regions being incessantly shelled and acts of genocide that took place?

Here, let me help you:

https://www.youtube.com/@EvaKBartlett/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos


65 posted on 12/12/2022 2:52:23 PM PST by cranked
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To: ought-six

Rhetoric, nothing more which is all you have to offer, as par.


66 posted on 12/12/2022 2:52:59 PM PST by cranked
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Production capabilities vs current usage rates.”

Links?
Sources?

Cause be assured, I can post a myriad of sources for how the West/US/UK/NATO/EU/Ukraine are running out of stuff, lacking production capabilities, etc. verses what the Russians ARE DOING equipment wise, production wise, industry wise.


67 posted on 12/12/2022 2:54:49 PM PST by cranked
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To: cranked

Nice try, kid.

BTW: Will you finally just man up and admit you never served in the US military, despite your claiming you did?

You Stolen Valor types don’t go over well with veterans.


68 posted on 12/12/2022 2:54:59 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: MinorityRepublican

ping


69 posted on 12/12/2022 2:55:23 PM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: ought-six

My shed blood says otherwise, Airman.


70 posted on 12/12/2022 2:55:49 PM PST by cranked
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To: Renfrew

“This war is much clearer if you know anything about military history and tactics.”

Yes, one interesting thing is that most people predicted Ukraine would fall in a couple of weeks. That is because most analysts have PoliSci degrees and spend their time on political and economic analyses.

Military historians were the one group that thought the invasion plan was a disaster. The basic reasoning was “it took Hitler 4 million men to take Ukraine and Stalin 5 million to take it back. Putin is going in with 200K. They are going to be slaughtered.”


71 posted on 12/12/2022 2:57:23 PM PST by Renfrew
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

“Have you ever spoken to Ukrainians about their incandescent hatred of Russia and Russians?”

I have. I have some Ukrainian neighbors (they’ve been here quite awhile). Their hatred of Russians is hotter than white hot. They supreme insult is to mistakenly call them Russian.


72 posted on 12/12/2022 2:58:23 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Neither side can sustain the war at the present rate much longer.
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Excuse me, the Ukies are on their 8th mobilization including woman, Russia has not even gone to Congress ( Duma) to authorize a full mobilization.

Ukraine is spent, a welfare nation on Western life support.


73 posted on 12/12/2022 3:00:18 PM PST by delta7
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To: rfp1234

BTW, the Moscow Times is a genuine opposition newspaper. Is the Russian press freer than the American press?


Great question. Maybe we should ask Anna Politkovskaya that question. Oh, wait. We can’t do that.

They publish in English. That’s not the “Russian press”. But you know that.


74 posted on 12/12/2022 3:00:36 PM PST by lodi90
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“Please stop copying and pasting fake Russian news to post on FR.”

No.

You John Bolton mocking birds stop. I started asking this question a long time ago, and never got one, single, solitary, coherent answer.

On which recent military success story would you have us model this after? Iraq? Libya? Afghanistan? You people are dangerous and what you advocate is of no benefit to *anyone* and this is because you DO NOT KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG.

You get your jollies pretending you are George C. Scott in an old movie. It’s embarrassing.


75 posted on 12/12/2022 3:01:05 PM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: Kazan

“Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for December 12, 2022.

- Russia continues its war of attrition - focusing on exhausting and overwhelming critical Ukrainian defenses around Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine/western Russia;
- Despite claims that Russian missile stockpiles are depleted, Russia continues carrying out regular, large-scale missile barrages against Ukrainian infrastructure;
- Latest US assistance package for Ukraine continues the trend of dwindling, inadequate support for Ukraine;
- US government procurement numbers over the course of the next 2-5 years indicates that at no time in the near future will the US be capable of producing let alone supplying Ukraine with the number of weapons and ammunition it requires;
- While Russian production data is not available, the fact that Russia’s stockpiles and military were configured for large-scale protracted and intense combat suggests its military industrial output is likewise configured for such demands;
- The Western media is now admitting that Ukraine can neither win, nor is there any moral imperative to ensure that it does...”


Here is Ukraine’s General Staff Report for yesterday.

Ukraine’s Armed Forces hit nine Russian command posts – General Staff report
UKRAINSKA PRAVDA — MONDAY, 12 DECEMBER 2022, 07:18
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Ukrainian Armed Forces have repelled 11 enemy attacks and struck nine Russian command posts.

Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Facebook, information as of 06:00 on 12 December

Details: Over the past day, Ukraine’s Armed Forces units have repelled attacks by the Russian invaders near the settlements of Stelmakhivka, Makiivka and Serebrianskyi reserve in Luhansk Oblast, and Verkhnokamianske, Bilohorivka, Soledar, Yurivka, Krasnohorivka, Marinka, Novomykhailivka and Vremivka in Donetsk Oblast.

Russian forces launched two missile strikes on the civilian infrastructure of the city of Kostiantynivka, Donetsk Oblast, 11 airstrikes on the positions of our troops along the line of contact, and also performed more than 60 attacks using multiple-launch rocket systems on the civilian infrastructure of the city of Kherson and Ukrainian troop positions.

The General Staff emphasises that there is still a threat of strikes using missiles and attack UAVs on energy system facilities and critical infrastructure throughout the territory of Ukraine.

There were no significant changes on the Volyn and Polissia fronts. There is no evidence that Russia is forming additional units to launch a new offensive.

On the Sivershchyna and Slobozhanshchyna fronts, Russian forces carried out artillery and mortar attacks on the settlements of Strilecha, Starytsia, Ohirtseve, Hatyshche, Volokhivka, Okhrimivka, Dvorichna, Kamianka in Kharkiv Oblast and Ivanivske in Donetsk Oblast.

On the Kupiansk and Lyman fronts, over 16 settlements were attacked, including Kyslivka, Kotliarivka, Tabaivka and Berestove in Kharkiv Oblast; Novoselivske, Stelmakhivka, Pishchane, Makiivka and Ploshchanka in Luhansk Oblast; Chervonopopivka, Terny, Yampolivka and Torske in Donetsk Oblast.

On the Bakhmut and Avdiivka fronts, Russian forces fired at Ukrainian Armed Forces positions from tanks, mortars, tubed and rocket artillery in the areas of 24 settlements, including Verkhnokamianske, Bilohorivka, Soledar, Bakhmut, Druzhba, Zalizne, Niu-York, Avdiivka, Opytne, Nevelske, Krasnohorivka and Marinka in Donetsk Oblast. The occupiers struck using operational-tactical and army aircraft in the areas of Spirne and Bilohorivka.

On the Novopavlivka front, the settlements of Novoukrainka, Prechystivka and Vuhledar (Donetsk Oblast) came under Russian fire.

On the Zaporizhzhia front, Russian troops fired on areas in and around the settlements of Vremivka in Donetsk Oblast and Zelene Pole, Novopil, Novodarivka, Malynivka, Huliaipole, Dorozhnianka, Huliaipilske, Charivne, Mali Shcherbaky in Zaporizhzhia Oblast.

On the Kherson front, the Russians attacked Chervonyi Maiak, Lvove, Inzhenerne, Chornobaivka and the city of Kherson.
__________________________

Now, here is the Russian Ministry of Defense report for the same day.

Ministry of Defense of Russia
⚡️ Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (December 12, 2022)

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to conduct a special military operation.

◽️In the Kupyansky and Krasno-Limansky directions, as a result of a complex fire destruction in the areas of concentration of manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, up to 70 Ukrainian servicemen, three armored combat vehicles and five vehicles were destroyed .

◽️In the Donetsk direction, Russian troops continued offensive operations. As a result of a preemptive fire engagement, an attempt by the enemy to counterattack Russian positions in the direction of the settlement of Peski in the Donetsk People’s Republic was thwarted by one company of the 59th motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The losses of the Ukrainian side amounted to 30 Ukrainian servicemen, two infantry fighting vehicles and three pickup trucks.

💥 Operational-tactical aviation, missile forces and artillery defeated the 83rd artillery units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at firing positions, as well as manpower and military equipment in 156 districts.

💥An ammunition depot of the 102nd Territorial Defense Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed near the village of Gulyai Pole, Zaporozhye region .

💥During a counter-battery fight at a firing position near the village of Zeleny Gay, Kharkiv region, a Ukrainian combat vehicle of the Smerch multiple launch rocket system was hit . In the area of ​​​​the settlement of Krasny Liman of the Donetsk People’s Republic, a combat vehicle of the Grad multiple launch rocket system was hit.

💥 Russian air defense systems destroyed two MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force in the air in the areas of the settlements of Rodinske and Pavlovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic. In addition, two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters were shot down near the settlements of Kurakhovo and Konstantinovka in the Donetsk People’s Republic.

💥During the day, six unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Golikovo, Ploshchanka, Melovatka, Popasne of the Lugansk People’s Republic, Terny, Kharkiv region and the city of Donetsk.

◽️Also, two Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missiles and two rockets of the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system were intercepted near the village of Yubileynoye, Kherson region.

📊 In total , since the beginning of the special military operation , 343 aircraft, 183 helicopters, 2,653 unmanned aerial vehicles, 396 anti-aircraft missile systems, 7,076 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 928 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 3,678 field artillery pieces and mortars, as well as 7568 units of special military vehicles. #Ministry of Defense #Russia #Ukraine @mod_russia


76 posted on 12/12/2022 3:02:05 PM PST by Cathi
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To: dennisw
ping

Yes?

78 posted on 12/12/2022 3:03:27 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: ought-six

I know you did not shed no blood.
Fact.


79 posted on 12/12/2022 3:03:44 PM PST by cranked
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Putinists never admit defeat and believe any gaslighting fairy tales that the Kremlin produces. You can set your watch to this nonsense.

Musk had a great quote yesterday that applies in spades to brainwashed Putinists: “Easy to fool people, but it is almost impossible to convince people that they have been fooled.”


80 posted on 12/12/2022 3:05:29 PM PST by lodi90
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