Posted on 07/13/2019 6:16:58 AM PDT by conservative98
Forrest was invited to speak at the convention of the NAACP’s fore-runner. He gave a heart felt and sincere speech calling for racial harmony.
“Jefferson’s political party: Democratic-Republican”
For the purpose of this post, let’s stipulate that Thomas Jefferson was a Republican - a Democratic Republican but a Republican none-the-less.
The question about the third President remains: should Republican slave owner Thomas Jefferson continue to be honored?
No one asked me but I say “yes.”
And after the disaster at Appomattox, Americans lost their original Constitution. But they got a synthetic Constitution to replace it.
Plus, they were given by the victor's side a one million page Federal Register to govern their behavior. Or, is it two million pages now?
Let’s use that same logic in the case of that patriotic King ‘Rat Robert Byrd, W.Va.
If you removed his name on everything with his name, the only thing left with a name would be Chuck Yeager airport. g
Shoulda read your post before typing mine. sorry
“...or federal authorities decided to ignore the war crimes because . . . because why? “
Because evidence after a battle is very hard to collect, and because no one really KNOWS what happened. Even now.
One of my favorite generals wrote:
“The massacre at Fort Pillow occurred April 12, 1864, and has been the subject of congressional inquiry. No doubt Forrest’s men acted like a set of barbarians, shooting down the helpless negro garrison after the fort was in their possession; but I am told that Forrest personally disclaims any active participation in the assault, and that he stopped the firing as soon as he could. I also take it for granted that Forrest did not lead the assault in person, and consequently that he was to the rear, out of sight if not of hearing at the time, and I was told by hundreds of our men, who were at various times prisoners in Forrest’s possession, that he was usually very kind to them. He had a desperate set of fellows under him, and at that very time there is no doubt the feeling of the Southern people was fearfully savage on this very point of our making soldiers out of their late slaves, and Forrest may have shared the feeling.” - Major General William Tecumseh Sherman
Wiki has a good article here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Pillow
I don’t think there is any doubt that in the heat of battle, many southerners behaved horrifically toward blacks who fought them. I haven’t seen any evidence their leaders pushed them to do so, or that it continued after tempers cooled.
“He was the original Lost Causer”
Forrest? Surely you joke. He was too honest a man for that.
What they are not telling us is that he became a Christian the last few years of his life and became an advocate of what would now be called racial reconciliation.
Did you see his talk at the Social Media Forum? It was pure magic. One of these days I'm going to transcribe it and analyze it. A few quick notes:
He broke up the raw speech with dozens of parenthetic remarks, asides, little stories, and jokes.
Also to break up the speech he invited champions to come up and say a few short words. They did, they were sharp people, and so you begin to appreciate the vast network of capable people behind Trump.
Even a fly buzzing around him allowed him to make a joke: "How did a fly get into the White House? I hate flies!" Presidential? Certainly not for the pompous Boobambas, Rat Romneys and Eric Ericksons. But very effective in showing the authentic human side of a great man who shares the same emotions as We Deplorables.
He worked in plenty of plugs for himself and his Administration so the Fake News would have to carry some of it. But also it's a great refresher for his fans who tend to forget all the things he's done because it's such a long list.
“Because no southern jury would convict at that time???”
Most likely he would have faced a military commission instead of civilian authorities as was Captain Wirz, commander of the Andersonville pow camp.
Wirz was captured, shipped to D.C. and tried, hanged and buried there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Wirz
I don't think there is any doubt that in the heat of battle, many soldiers behave horrifically against enemy soldiers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7dmcHoODZI
I don't know if the scene depicted above was based on a specific incident, but in the 1990’s a WWII veteran volunteered to me that prior to D-Day his commander addressed the company and said, “we don't need a lot of prisoners.”
The veteran added, “that was all he said and we knew what he meant.”
If someone told me that in four years of war not one southern soldier ever committed an atrocity, I'd be surprised.
On the whole, I believe southern commanders and soldiers conducted themselves honorably; especially when viewed in the context of the north's total war..
I’m still waiting to see the evidence that Forrest was an early leader of the KKK. He denied it. There is no proof for it. In fact, he always went out of his way to say that everybody should obey the law and he urged racial reconciliation though those infused with PC Revisionism have doubtless heard none of this and will cling to their dogma no matter the evidence.
There's no evidence of him having done anything wrong at Ft. Pillow. The Congress investigated it....a Congress devoid of White Southerners who had at that time been disenfranchised during the Occupation....Forrest testified and no evidence was put forth which would support any charges against him. He was indeed not charged with anything. Once again, remember this was a congress composed entirely of Northerners and their lackeys in the Occupation governments then in power in the Southern states. They certainly were not friends of Forrest. Yet he was never even charged with anything.
Ding! They're just regurgitating Yankee propaganda put forth by a partisan newspaper in Cincinnati hundreds of miles away right before an election. In other words, there wasn't a shred of evidence. The Northern dominated Congress investigated and never filed any charges against Forrest because there was never any evidence against him.
Ted the blind ambitious opportunist.
Cleanse history of everything bad. Obliterate our consitution. Send all the police home. Kill yourselves.
Wrong. You don’t know history
LOL! Bullchit. They didn't press charges and there was no evidence because there was no such "massacre". Had you actually read the congressional testimony you would know that. You would know that: 1) Forrest was well in the rear. His horse had stumbled and rolled over him a few days earlier breaking a couple of his ribs. He was not healthy enough to lead from the scene as he usually did. 2) far from massacring federal prisoners, he handed them over to the Confederate medical corps and kept a receipt for them which he was able to produce for Congress and entered into evidence. 3) there was no "massacre". There was a running battle with federals fleeing and some taking shots and with Confederates pursuing and shooting. Undoubtedly some who were trying to surrender were shot as always happens in such scenarios when some from the losing side are running away and some are still shooting.
“George Cantor, a biographer of Confederate generals, wrote, “Forrest ducked and weaved, denying all knowledge, but admitted he knew some of the people involved. He sidestepped some questions and pleaded failure of memory on others. Afterwards, he admitted to ‘gentlemanly lies”
He may have left the KKK but he was active during its formative years....born of hatred and belief in the Lost Cause. No conservative today should think highly of any such democrat....the party if slavery and treachery. First. Last. Always
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