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Is Nathan Phillips Too Young to be a Vietnam Vet?
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Posted on 01/21/2019 6:13:32 AM PST by TigerClaws

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To: BruceS

I arrived in Cam Ranh Bay in June of 1971, I was 20 y.o. That would have made Phillips 16 at the time. I left Camp Alpha in Dec. 72 so Phillips would have been 17. Just barely old enough to be in the Marines, let alone Viet Nam.


61 posted on 01/21/2019 7:37:36 AM PST by DaiHuy (May God save the country, for it is evident the people will not! Millard Fillmore)
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To: TigerClaws; All

Ypsilanti is only a medium sized town of less than 20,000.

There should be records available. Someone should be able to find when Phillips was born.

He probably has a drivers license.

An actual, verifiable birth date would be very useful. How about High school year books for 1970-73?

There are records out there.

A real birth date would be very helpful.


62 posted on 01/21/2019 7:43:10 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Buttons12

My brother in law was a Vietnam era vet. However, he never once saw the jungle. He had flat feet.


63 posted on 01/21/2019 7:43:38 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: Bitman

I hope you are right and they see the error of their ways and close this loophole. I was shocked at how easy it was for me to obtain the vet status on the license. I wish I could just answer the question for the CDL designation like that... (heh, heh).

About your DD-214, yes I keep my original (now days they have digital copies, unlike when we got them and you had the pink copy given to you), I’ve made numerous photocopies and keep one of them in my wallet. If you ever lose your DD-214, it’s not hard for you (or your spouse/kids) to obtain a copy from vetrecs.com


64 posted on 01/21/2019 7:43:38 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Levy78
UConn fans hates him too... 😋
65 posted on 01/21/2019 7:44:10 AM PST by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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To: TigerClaws

Very interesting take and good catch!

My oldest brother is 64 years old and I recall his was the last high school graduating class in the U.S. that had draft numbers drawn - he had a number, IOW.

But, shortly thereafter, it all ended and he never had to report.


66 posted on 01/21/2019 7:45:19 AM PST by Bon of Babble (In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida, Baby!!)
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To: marktwain
"A real birth date would be very helpful."

It's even simpler than that. Just ask him to produce his DD-214. That will tell us if he is a Marine Veteran and if he served in Vietnam, the two claims he is making. It is possible as mentioned earlier in the thread to be 64 or 65 and be a Vietnam (in country) vet, but it's highly unlikely because there are very few of those.

A good reporter, writing the facts could say he claims to be a Marine Vietnam veteran but has shown no documentation to verify the claim.
67 posted on 01/21/2019 7:47:39 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: blueunicorn6
Ladies and gentlemen, the Stardust Lounge is proud to present for your listening pleasure the Nathan Phillips Trio with Nathan Phillips on the bongo, Lizzy Warren on the glockenspiel and Ward Churchill playing his organ!”

Shouldn't that read: Ward Churchill playing with his organ

68 posted on 01/21/2019 7:48:41 AM PST by dearolddad
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To: The Mayor

Never had a draft lottery number.

I turned 18 in July 1967. Went down to the local post office on my birthday, registered for the draft then went upstairs and enlisted in the Marines. Shipped for boot camp two weeks later. Boot camp was only eight weeks long then (having been shortened from 12 weeks). If I recall correctly, I received my draft notice in Training Week 5 or 6.

So I was more or less fated to serve.


69 posted on 01/21/2019 7:50:08 AM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

That “someone” could be you, for all practical purposes. DD214 is public record, at least the “short” version. Request via FOIA, I suppose. Records branch, St. Louis, MO.


70 posted on 01/21/2019 7:52:29 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Mears

A copy is usually notarized and (should be) placed on file with the county recorder. It is indeed an important document. That way if the veteran loses his copy or it is destroyed, he or she doesn’t have to request one from the government. St. Louis has copies (microfilm probably, maybe digitized by now) but this can take a while.


71 posted on 01/21/2019 7:58:40 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: OpusatFR
Why doesn’t someone ask him which battalion and unit he was in and where his duty station was? It is a simple matter for anyone who served in his unit to vouch for his service. Unless he is another stolen valor candidate. My SO was 17 when he began his enlistment and served, but he was born in 42.

Bingo.

72 posted on 01/21/2019 8:05:00 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

“Mr. Phillips served in the Marine Corps in Vietnam from 1972-76”

Chief Stolen Valor heap big liar.


73 posted on 01/21/2019 8:05:58 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
Gee, why would someone lie about serving in Vietnam? /S

There should be strong laws against this type of fraud. It's like someone claiming to be a Native American! What type of person would do that?

74 posted on 01/21/2019 8:06:29 AM PST by Lockbox
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To: TigerClaws

It’s possible he served in the same unit as Richard Blumenthal.

I mean, you never know.


75 posted on 01/21/2019 8:06:36 AM PST by TruthFactor (Hang em', Hang em' High.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I think he is abusing the “Vietname ERA vet” label.

I am an era vet. I joined in 1970, never went to Vietnam, but my paperwork from the VA calls me an era vet.

I am meticulous in pointing out what that means. I would consider myself a false valor thief to claim I was a Viet vet.

I am also an era vet of the Persian Gulf war, and I was on the ground in the Panama invasion and in the Persian Gulf tanker conflict in 1987-89 with Iran.


76 posted on 01/21/2019 8:10:34 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: xzins; archy; Squantos; Old Sarge; CodeToad; TADSLOS
I copied this Wiki factoid from up-thread. The math does not work for Chief Stolen Valor serving in Vietnam. He must produce his DD-214, I he's a liar.

A lot of stolen valor idiots out themselves when they draw too much publicity, and then get closer examination.

From Wikipedia....

With the end of active U.S. ground participation in Vietnam, December 1972 saw the last men conscripted, who were born in 1952[71] and who reported for duty in June 1973. On February 2, 1972, a drawing was held to determine draft priority numbers for men born in 1953, but in early 1973 it was announced by Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird that no further draft orders would be issued.[72][73] In March 1973, 1974, and 1975, the Selective Service assigned draft priority numbers for all men born in 1954, 1955, and 1956, in case the draft was extended, but it never was.[74]

Command Sergeant Major Jeff Mellinger, believed to be the last drafted enlisted ranked soldier still on active duty, retired in 2011.[75][76] Chief Warrant Officer 5 Ralph E. Rigby, the last Vietnam War-era drafted soldier of Warrant Officer rank, retired from the army on November 10, 2014 after a 42-year career.[77]

77 posted on 01/21/2019 8:14:22 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: TruthFactor; TigerClaws
"It’s possible he served in the same unit as Richard Blumenthal.

I mean, you never know."


To quote Eddie Murphy from Trading places after the cops asked him where he served in Vietnam...

"I was in...Sang Bang...Dang Gong...I was all over the place, a lot of places. I was with the Green Berets, Special Unit Battalions...Commando Airborne Tactics...Specialist Tactics Unit Battalion. Yeah, it was real hush hush. I was Agent Orange, Special Agent Orange, that was me."
78 posted on 01/21/2019 8:15:32 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Bitman
I highly encourage any vets to check if their state supports a state issued ID that supports the annotation.

I would advise anyone to take their DD 214s to their county seat and have their documents recorded. I have had to get certified copies a couple of times.

79 posted on 01/21/2019 8:17:24 AM PST by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: itsahoot

Good suggestion.


80 posted on 01/21/2019 8:24:39 AM PST by Bitman
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