Posted on 04/15/2018 7:55:54 AM PDT by mac_truck
Moscow [Russia], Apr. 15 (ANI): Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov claimed on Saturday that the toxin used to poison former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, was BZ toxin, as confirmed by a Swiss laboratory.
"Based on the results of the examination, traces of the toxic chemical BZ and its precursors, related to chemical weapons of the second category in accordance with the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, were found in the samples. BZ is a nerve agent temporarily disabling a person. The effect is achieved within 30-50 minutes and lasts up to four days," said Lavrov.
However, the most intriguing aspect of his claim remains to be the fact that the toxin has been in the possession of the US and the UK and has never been produced in Russia.
Lavrov further questioned the Organization for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which is investigating the poisoning incident, for not taking into consideration the information about the BZ nerve agent, which, along with Novichok toxin, was not mentioned in the OPCW's final report.
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I was telling hubby about this article, & several others I’ve read today, & said pretty much the same thing. It DOES seem like people are getting ginned up for WW3.
God have mercy on us!
Where exactly did the OPCW get those samples from? Were they taken from the Skripals directly?
Else, GIGO.
Conclusion for the Public:
8. The results of analysis of biomedical samples conducted by OPCW designated laboratories demonstrate the exposure of the three hospitalised individuals to this toxic chemical. 9. The results of analysis of the environmental samples conducted by OPCW designated laboratories demonstrate the presence of this toxic chemical in the samples. 10. The results of analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people. 11. The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities. 12. The name and structure of the identified toxic chemical are contained in the full classified report of the Secretariat, available to States Parties.
Why would Russia want to kill former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia?
Revenge is an obvious answer. They could also want to silence Skripal (but he likely gave the UK all the intel he had). Another reason is as a warning to other agents thinking of crossing the Russian government.
But what if some government, the UK, US, or other, wanted to incite action against Russia and turn world opinion against the Soviets?
The daughter has since recovered and is now in hiding.
Why? To protect her from another murder attempt? Or protect the people she might inadvertently expose as the real culprits.
If true the guilty party now has a problem; a living witness that was supposed to have been eliminated.
It would be embarrassing to the guilty party if during an interview Yulia let it slip the last thing she remembers before succumbing to the poison is some nice, middle-age British woman bumping into her and her father while walking in the park.
It would certainly benefit the guilty party to now isolate their surviving victim (witness) and reassuring her exactly what happened to her happened is the way they say it happened and not the way she believes it happened.
We believe these kinds of ideas when we read them in spy novels. The reason we do is because they're plausible.
* This is all pure speculation on my part.
The samples were turned over to the OPCW by the British, presumably they're same samples the British used to conduct their own testing.
The only party not given samples so far have been the Russians.
Then the Russian don’t really know what’s in the OPCW report, but the Brits do.
Interesting, but no where in that pdf does it state WHAT chemical they identified. Only that it confirmed the conclusion the Brits had arrived at.
Why would Lavrov state the Swiss had identified BZ if he couldn’t produce proof? Any reliable media company would go to the Swiss to confirm that, wouldn’t they? Well...maybe not these days.
Still makes no sense to me.
“Why would Russia want to kill former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia?”
Glenn Beck called Jack Barsky, the Russian spy who became an American citizen after years under cover here. His take was that it was not Putin, as Putin wants to be the strong man in the world, not a pariah. Barsky thought the more likely scenario was an oligarch decided to do it on his own as a way to curry favor with Putin. But if there’s a backlash against Putin, it would put that oligarch in a tricky situation.
It’s all just so ridiculous.
No, the Russians have access to all the OPCW information including the underlying lab reports from the Spiez labs.
They have correctly pointed out the Swiss lab's finding of BZ was left off the OPCW final report, as well as the fact the purity and concentration levels of the novichok-like agent the OPCW report refers to would have been more than fatal to anyone exposed.
Draw your own conclusions but the evidence points to a nonlethal BZ nerve agent being used, then a clumsy attempt by the British to doctor the samples with novichok.
The UK has to release the full OPCW report with the chemical analysis results, or give OPCW permission to. I guess anyone can appeal to the UK to release the full results.
There was more than one substance found, BZ being only one component, and Russia is selectively naming BZ? We need to see the full report and the complete analysis.
“Those facts are not in dispute.”
The results from the Swiss lab have not been independently reported. It is only Moscow that is reporting them. You’d think the French, Germans and others would report them as well. They haven’t.
“Yuk! I wonder if anyone actually buys that stuff.”
Yes, they do, and I concur - Yuk. My mother didn’t cook often, and we were raised on a lot of crap food, so I regularly had this stuff, along with other favorites - like packaged beef with cream of mushroom soup on top, TV dinners, smokey links and tater tots, McDonald’s, etc. The good news is that I would probably be resistant to chemical warfare..
The OPCW final report didn't mention the lab's finding of BZ at all.
Yes
The OPCW also took their own samples, both directly from the victims and from the various contaminated sites.
Rather then looking for media confirmation, try looking for a western government disputing what the FM Lavrov is saying (and implying).
I don't see Boris Johnson jumping up, do you?
I didn't consider oligarchs as players in this event but without identifying THE person/persons/government/independent agents/rouge agents/double agent/spooks/et. al. there's no way of knowing the motive and therefor the endgame they were hoping to achieve.
Without knowing the culprit it's all speculation.
It certainly is plausible. Why would Putin do something so brazen in a foreign country for so little gain knowing he would put a target on his back?
I dislike dismissing everything as a false flag event but it's becoming impossible to keep track of the known suspects let alone the unknown suspects.
Anything is possible. Anything is plausible.
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