Putin, Medvedev attend Easter service in Christ the Savior Cathedral

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[SamuraiScot]

We make an even bigger choice to celebrate bunnies and eggs with a sunrise service on Sunday

I'm not sure what your target is. It doesn't look as if it's the Roman Catholic Church, since a good chunk of what you're criticizing--such as the two items I quoted--aren't Catholic practices and never were. The point, and you may agree here, is the facts, which are recorded in Scripture and Tradition. (Some Protestants get nervous when Catholics mention Tradition, but Tradition is our only guarantee that we should believe what's recorded in Scripture.)

It's clear from both that Our Lord was crucified at the start of Passover, and references to the foundational importance of Hebrew scripture and tradition have been built into Catholic liturgy from the beginning--to a greater degree, actually, before the Second Vatican Council than after. But they are still unmistakably the bedrock of our Faith, going back to Abraham.

Whether we still use the same calendar as modern Jews or anyone else does not seem critical. The distinctive thing about the Church's calendar (a project of Pope Gregory XIII finished in 1582), is that it's more accurate in following the movements of sun and earth. Pope Gregory specifically wanted the date of Easter to be accurate. The Hebrew and Julian calendars slipped many days per year out of phase, and had to be corrected regularly.

All these things are only important because, as Scripture tells us, "He has risen as He said."

Alleluia.

[Cronos]

I believe that Putin's Orhodox image is mostly "face" but the fact is that he has protected Syrian Orthodox Christians -- which is far more than the USA has done

I don't trust Putin, but his helping of Christians keeps him popular at home and he is doing that. The USA is not. Satan is not active - I would say that God is using Putin IN THE SYRIA INSTANCE ALONE just as he used Nebuchadnezzar

We need to be wary of putin in most cases, but in Syria he is doing generally a good thing.

[Cronos]

The Vatican may appear liberal in the media, but no dogma has been changed, nothing has been changed that would harm the relationship with the Orthodox

[Cronos]

Sheesh, read up the history first. The dates differed only from the 1500s

After the great schism in 1054 although the churches were split among several doctrinal views, they both still believed Easter should be celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon to follow the vernal equinox. The Catholic Church, however, no longer found that it had to fall after Passover. Added to this was the Catholic Church's switch over from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar, which was presented in 1582. The Orthodox Church still held to the original Nicean Council's formula for Easter as well as following the original calendar system of the Julian calendar. By using two different calendar systems, the vernal equinox now fell on March 21 under the Gregorian calendar and April 3 on the Julian calendar. The two churches now celebrated the same Easter holiday on two different days

Easter is NOT pagan and don't fall for the fake "Eostre" story -- that is so incredibly bogus for three reasons:

1. you do realize that Easter is purely in English and German, right? In Dutch it is Pasen, in Latin Paschae, in Polish Pascha, in Spanish Pascua, in French Paques, in Irish Casca --> English wasn't even born in the 4th century and Modern English dates only from the 16th century, post-Reformation era So linking Pascha to a late language is just wierd - just as dafta as linking Ishtar to Easter (linking a Sumerian langauge word to a word from a langauge thousands fo years later and no connection in the intervening languages)
   
   
2. The idea that "Eostre" was even a goddess is a fallacy of Bedes -- no one else wrote about Eostre, not even the pagans themselves. And we have plenty of tales of Odin and every little woodsprite in Anglo-Saxon and Nordic tales. Eostre or Ostern is the Saxon term for Spring (or sun in the East), not a deity
   
   
3. The Anglo-Saxons and Jutes were still in Denmark in the 4th century

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I have read my history. The religious holidays we celebrate today come from Nimrod and Semiramis and their son Tamuuz. That is long before the time you are referencing. This is the time right off the Ark. These "Babylonian" religions have spread all over the world in the form of Zeus, Venus, Isis, and numerous other names, but it's the same people. It has nothing to do with Christ. Read Revelation and you see the Whore of Babylon and what God thinks of her. Women in Scripture are religions. the virgins always speak of Christians because the High Priest can only marry a virgin from His own family, ergo, we must be "adopted" into he family of God to be the Bride of Christ. The divorced or widow woman is the Jews. But the Harlot is the RCC. Being sexually lose in the Bible is to "fornicate" with other gods. "Fornicating" with the kings of the earth means the RCC was connected at the hip with the kingdoms on earth.

Back at the time of Nimrod, Nimrod became the first world dictator and became a type and shadow of the Antichrist.

It would save me a lot of typing if you just went to Youtube and looked up the origin of Easter. It is mentioned in Scripture as Asteroth, Molech, Baal, and others. Mary worship is absolutely identical to Semiramis worship. She was called the mother of God( Tamuuz was supposed to be god(Nirod) reincarnated. Semiramis was the mother of Nimrod and she married Nimrod. Nimrod was the first "Nephilim" after the Flood.( Read the Septuagint Gen 10:8-9)From the time Christ walked the earth to about 320-325, when Constantine made church and state one, the church was pure from the time of the Apostles. At this time, they started to cut out the Jewish influence and bring in the pagan influence to the church. He pretty much made it up as he went. It pleased the pagans to worship the sun god, so the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. The Roman calendar was substituted for the Biblical calendar. The Jews have a 360 day year and 30 day months. Their calendar is based on the sun and moon. The Julian and Gregorian calendars are based on the sun, because they worship the sun. The Muslim calendar is based on the moon, because they worship the moon. The Bible names days, 1st day, 2nd day, and so on. Pagans named the days Sunday, Monday, and so on because they named the days and months after their gods.

Lev 23 lists all the Lord's days we are to Feast. They are actually prophesies of the upcoming events done by Christ. Passover was the sacrifice of the lamb of God, He was put in the grave on Unleavened Bread, and rose from His tomb on First Fruits. The counting of the Omer and Pentecost brought the giving of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2. The next Feast of the Lord will be fulfilled on Trumpets. This will mark the Rapture. If you are glued to a pagan calendar, you will miss it. Ask a Jew what "the day no one knows" is? It's Trumpets, because it lasts 2 days and can only start when the new moon is seen. All other Feast days are in the middle of the month with a full moon. If we get off the Hebrew calendar, we won't be "watching" for the oracles of God to come.

If you notice, 1 Thess 5:1 says the Jews have no need that Paul's should write them about the upcoming Rapture because they are Jews and they know. They already observe the "dress rehearsals"( Moed's), times and seasons, prescribed in Scripture in Lev 23. Changing the calendar is a trick from Satan to confuse the church. Scripture says we are to be "Watching" Luk 12:35-37. Do a word search on "Watch". Many of the verses will refer to the Rapture. If you don't know when Trumpets is coming, how can you watch and have your lamp burning?

Trusting in the traditions of men rather than Scripture can ruin you. The Holy Spirit can open up the Scriptures for you. Don't rely on some men telling you what you should believe. The blind leading the blind puts both of you in a ditch. One thing you said was the most revealing thing in your post. "The Catholic Church, however, no longer found that it had to fall after Passover." Wow! That should shake you to the core! Having someone tell me "the RCC said," lets me know they haven't studied for themselves. There is so much error in the RCC, God will put them with the unbelievers if they don't "come out of her".

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

Notice God said "My People". If you have confessed Jesus as Lord, then you are His. But you can't stay in Sodom and come out clean. Lot was dragged out of Sodom physically by angels because he was related to Abraham. Lot ended up living in a cave and his daughters committed incest with him to create 2 lost races. Remember, in the Spiritual language of the Bible, children come from the parents. Lutherans, Methodists, Episcopalians, et al, all broke off from the RCC. The true "Christian" church resembles closest to the Messianic Jew.

Resurrection Day is First Fruits. Jesus WAS First Fruits of the Dead. First Fruits is a certain day, not somewhere within a couple of weeks. Especially when you find out the day you celebrate is from the Babylonian religion. There is God's people, and Babylon, nothing else. Babylon doesn't fare well in Revelation. Do another word search for "The Assyrian". That is the Antichrist. Nimrod was a type, the Pharaoh that forgot Joesph,(Isa 52:4 Exo 1:8) was Assyrian and a type. When you read "the Assyrian", read "The Beast" and you will see the character of the coming Antichrist. The False Prophet will most likely be a pope.

Back to the original reason for posting here,...Can you not see how this guy could lead hundreds of millions astray and people would follow a counterfeit? Catholics MUST start to look to Scripture for their authority and question the RCC. Because some "saint" said something in the 1500's doesn't mean squat. Millions of people are following men today destroying the church with Lesbian pastors, pedophiles, gay marriage, abortion, and every kind of sin. The RCC is certainly not immune. The Bible is God breathed and is our only authority. I don't need a man to tell me there is no hell, or gays can get married in the church, or whatever the meme is for today. God never changes. If there is a fiery pit for angels that had to be expanded for sinners, then there is a hell to be thrown into. If sodomy was an abomination in Genesis and Leviticus 18:22-30, then the pope cannot soften the look of it because it's disgusting to God. One cannot say that God will accept sodomy because we don't want to be offensive to certain people. We need to have grace with people but in the end, Jesus came with grace and truth. Eventually, we all need the truth. Purposeful rebellion is sin and grace won't cover that.

Everything I've said here is truth, straight from Scripture. It is said in love, but everyone that reads it needs to follow up with self examination to see if they are truly in the faith. If you are satisfied, then so be it. I can only bring information. Following traditions of men is NOT following God.

[Cronos]

The religious holidays we CHRISTIANS celebrate today do not come from the tales of Tammuz

Your usage of youtube is bad research -- There is no linkage between Ishtar and the celebration of Pascha/Pasqua/Passover when Christ rose from the dead

Unless you are saying that Christ is a copy of Tammuz, or is that what you are saying? Btw, that's also false

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The history is everywhere, not just YouTube. If there is no connection with pagan religions, why isn't the Christian day we celebrate First Fruits, or Unleavened Bread or even Passover? The Christian Easter is NEVER on First Fruits unless by accident. The Roman church changed the calendar, the Sabbath, and the Hebrew holidays called for in Leviticus 23. Look it up in Britannica or World Book, or any source that pleases you, but "The Mother of God" comes from Babylon. Carvings of Madonna and son can be found centuries older than Mary and Christ. All of it comes from Nimrod and Semiramis and their child Tammuz. Also, the daughter of Nimrod was Thyatira, as in Revelation 2. The Harlot in Revelation is the RCC. It's the city on 7 hills and they killed more saints than all other religions combined. (Rev 17 :6-9)

Christ was killed on Passover and rose on First Fruits, neither of which falls on Easter.

[Cronos]

it's not "history" - its fiction:

1. there was no goddess Eostre -- the term was written 400 years later by Bede and only mentioned once, in NO Anglo-Saxon or Nordic work do we read of such a goddess -- yet we have LOTS of notations of Odin/Woden, Thor, Frigga, and even wood sprites. Ergo - there was no such Goddess, there was no "Eostre"
   
   
2. Easter is the term only in English and German -- every other language calls it either Pascha/Passover/Pasqua (even the germanic tongue of Dutch uses Pasen) or Wielkanoc/Great night.
   
   
3. why isn't the Christian day we celebrate First Fruits, or Unleavened Bread or even Passover? T -- it is called Passover -- have you only been in an English-speaking environment?
   • What is Easter in Latin - Paschae
   • in Greek? - Πάσχα (pronounced pascha)
     
     
   • Dutch - Pasen
   • Italian - Pasquar
   • Irish - Casca
   
   
   
4. Passover 2018 started on Friday March 30 - Good Friday/Wielka Piątek
   
   
5. Next, you seem to forget In Rome and Alexandria the lunar cycles by which the occurrence of Easter was determined were not uniform. Rome, after the hundred-and-twelve-year cycle of Hippolytus, adopted an eighty-four-year cycle, but neither gave satisfactory results. Alexandria adhered to the more accurate nineteen-year cycle of Meton. But it seems to be clearly established by the most recent researches (see Schwartz, op. cit., pp. 28-29) that the lunar cycles were never understood to be more than aids towards ascertaining the correct date of Easter, also that where the calculations of Rome and Alexandria led to divergent results, compromises were made upon both sides and that the final decision always lay with accepted ecclesiastical authority.
   
   

   Net-net, there is zero connection between any Germanic or Sumerian deity celebrations and the mourning and celebration of Christ's sacrifice.

   historically, Biblically and spiritually you are completely wrong - as I showed you above

[Cronos]

Next, the "Roman church" didn't change Sabbath -- the Sabbath remains Saturday as per the Old Covenant. you do realize we are under the New covenant, right?

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2, On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

Colossians 2:16-17, 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

These show that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead.

Remember Gal. 5:1-6It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. 2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. ==

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead"

"Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection" (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).

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The Sabbath remains, yet as Jesus' in the patterm of his own rest was resurrected on a Sunday, we worship on Sunday -- the sabbath is not replaced

[Cronos]

The term "The Mother of God" does not come from Babylon - sigh, I would suggest reading the Bible and history before commenting

Let's simplify it for you

Jesus was both God and man
Jesus, God pre-existed all
Jesus God created all including His mother, Mary

Mary was His mother, not His creator, just as your mother is not your creator -- your mother bore you but God was/is your creator

We don't know when God creates souls, if that has any relevance in periods of time. However, God pre-dates all if we put it in this time-space perspective --> And God exists out of space and time

The Son is God incarnate born of the virgin Mary. She of course is no Demi-urge, she the created being who bore Him. --

More critically, she bore Him, not a part of Jesus Christ , but the Word. To separate out the natures is to follow down the path of trying to separate out the human and divine natures and leads to conclusions like a man who became God or a man "possessed" by the spirit of God.

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All that you quoted was just justification of what you have chosen to believe. There is nowhere in Scripture where God changed the Sabbath. The verse in Acts is just saying they met on the 1st day. They lived together and met most days. That certainly wasn't some indication from God to change the Sabbath, so who did? Men in Rome in the 4th century. Ask a Jew when First Fruits happened this year and see if it lines up with the day we celebrate Easter. If the name Easter is in the Bible, I don't know what verse it's in. What does it mean? It comes from Asteroth, Isis, Ishtar, ect.

We are not under the law, but we must know that the Leviticus 23 days tell of Jesus. Zech 14:16-21, tells of the Last Days, God will force us to celebrate Tabernacles in Jerusalem or suffer no rain and plagues. There is another reference that says God will bring back Saturday worship and force the Sabbath back to the 6th day, but right now I'm too lazy to look it up for you.

The point is God never changed these days, man did. If you will read Eze 8-9, it speaks of Abominations going on in the Temple. Verse 14 speaks of the women weeping for Tammuz and verse 16 speaks of men worshiping the sun. What is Sunday? The day named after the Roman sun god. Our months and days of the week are all named for Roman gods today. The Jews just say 1st day, 2nd day, 7th month, ect.

Col 2:16-17 is spoken to the Colossi church. The Christians were already moving from the Biblical church Jesus started to their amalgamation of pagan rules. Jesus ALWAYS celebrated Lev 23 Feast Days, not the "new" days made up by men. Paul was telling the Colossians to to stay with the Lev days and not to change. In 3 John 1:9, a Greek church wouldn't even allow John and his people in the church due to antisemitism. That was about 100 AD. This is the disciple Jesus loved, who actually walked with Jesus, and he wasn't welcome in their church. I can tell you that Jesus would be thrown out of many churches today because He would confront them with the truth as it's written very plainly in Scripture, but we won't hear it.

I could go verse after verse refuting all that you just typed, but you won't believe anyway. Satan is more than a liar, he is a counterfeiter. Much of what we believe today is a counterfeit of what was given in Scripture. Recognize what was made up by men and stay with Scripture. Saying you aren't under the Law is just a cop out to do what you want. As Paul said,.."Heaven forbid". You say we are under a new covenant. Aren't we under the Abrahamic covenant made New with the Blood of Christ? Isaac was bound to the altar and God provided a Ram to slaughter. The covenant was made without Isaac's death. Abraham was in covenant because he believed God, the same as today. We have been adopted into God's family. The Jews haven't been culled out. Jesus came to fulfill the Jewish Law, not to start a new religion. The early church followed the Jewish tradition found in Scripture.

What we have done is made up reason why we can change things, like meet on Sunday because the Apostles ate together on one Sunday. One misinterpreted verse in Colossians doesn't mean we can forget about the Sabbath and feast days. That is no excuse to change the 10 Commandments. Is Murder and adultery legal because we are under a "new covenant? Is bowing to statues now legal? We have grace now, but does that mean we can sin on purpose? Heaven forbid.

You, and many others have been fooled into believing the traditions of men and ditching the Scriptures. This is why in the last Days, God will punish those that follow the Harlot, Babylon. He tells them to come out of her or suffer with her, God's wrath. Rev 18:3-5. In God's eyes, there are His people, and Babylon, or everyone else. "Everyone else" will be treated as the Babylonians are treated in Revelation. Are you going to stay with Easter and Christmas because your church says so or will you read what Jesus observed during His life? Ever heard of "What would Jesus do? He NEVER celebrated Easter or Christmas, but didn't miss a Passover or Tabernacles. Even Chanukah,( means "dedication"), Jesus was in Jerusalem to celebrate. (John 10:22) He missed Christmas though somehow, because He was born on Tabernacles.

Here is just one of thousands of sites to read up on this.

http://lorendavis.com/news_articles_queen_of_heaven.html

There are many many more if you wish to find out the truth. It's also in encyclopedia's, but no one has those anymore. This has been known and taught for many many years now.

[Cronos]

all I quoted were facts

The Fact is that the Church never "changed the Sabbath" - from Apostolic times we Christians have celebrated the Lords day, SUNDAY, when he rose from the dead.

I don't know what you non-Christians do

[Cronos]

If the name Easter is in the Bible, I don't know what verse it's in. What does it mean? It comes from Asteroth, Isis, Ishtar, ect

You do realize that "Easter" is the word only in English, right?

With the exception of German and English, the day on which Christ rose is called Pascha/Passover/Pasqua -- even in Dutch (a Germanic language)

How can you compare the word in a late language (English) when the name of the Sumerian goddes was Innana, not Ishtar??? Do you know any other language besides English?

If you did you would know:

1. In Latin: Pascha
   
   
2. In Polish: Wielkanoc (Great night)
   
   
3. In Dutch : Pasen
   
   
4. Swedish: pask
   
   
5. in Welsh: Pasg

[Cronos]

Zech 14:16-21 - talks about the celebration of the feast of the Tabernacles, not the weekly celebration

Jesus rose on Sunday and Sunday is when we Christians celebrate His rising from the dead. Sabbath remains Saturday - and that is as per the Old Covenant. Christians since Apostolic Times celebrate Sunday.

[Cronos]

Verse 14 speaks of the women weeping for Tammuz and verse 16 speaks of men worshiping the sun. What is Sunday? The day named after the Roman sun god. Our months and days of the week are all named for Roman gods today.

you really do not seem to understand that the world is not English, right?

Also you need to learn facts first: Tammuz was NOT the Sumerian god of the sun -- that was UTU

Next, the ENGLISH words for the week: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday - are firstly, ONLY IN ENGLISH and secondly, these aren't Roman gods except for Saturday (Saturn) - those are named after the Sun, moon, Tew , Woden (Oden), Thor, Frigga - Anglo-Saxon gods (who incidentally are very well written in pagan soruces and there is zero, nada, zilch, nothing about any anglo-saxon goddess "eostre" - ergo there was no such goddess/sprite/demi-deity.

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And, do you know what the days of the week are in other langauges?

1. Polish: niedziela poniedziałek wtorek środa czwartek piątek sobota - Share, After Sharing day, Windy day, Middle day, fourth day, fifth day, Sabbath

Sheesh, you think that because the English, a late language uses some words, that it is some sign?

[Cronos]

In 3 John 1:9, a Greek church wouldn't even allow John and his people in the church due to antisemitism.

You really should read, this was not due to Anti-semitism. It would be idiotic to be antisemitic as Christianity until 194 was pretty much a Jewish sect

The 3 epistle was written between 60 to 65 AD, not 100 AD as you state. And this was even before the destruction of the temple in 69AD - so Christians were a Jewish sect even more so

diotrophes' opposition is not due to anti-semitism or indeed anything doctrinal but about chain of command.

[Cronos]

I could go verse after verse refuting all that you just typed,

you couldn't because you can't.

The fact is that you won't believe the facts in the Bible or God showing us this even in historical proofs. You should give up on this false ideas and come back to Christianity

Satan is more than a liar, he is a counterfeiter. Much of what you may believe today is a counterfeit of what was given in Scripture.

[Cronos]

I could go verse after verse refuting all that you just typed,

you couldn't because you can't.

The fact is that you won't believe the facts in the Bible or God showing us this even in historical proofs. You should give up on this false ideas and come back to Christianity

Satan is more than a liar, he is a counterfeiter. Much of what you may believe today is a counterfeit of what was given in Scripture.

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Your not getting what Ive been saying. I don't care what Easter is in Latin or Polish. It's still a pagan holiday. The true day Christ rose was on First Fruits which hardly ever happens on the pagan days except by accident.

You obviously haven't looked at any information I sent. Being unteachable is not virtue.

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Again, the RCC changed the worship day to Sunday from the 7th day. Jesus worshiped on the 7th Day Sabbath. I've already refuted the wasted bandwidth you posted again. Do some studying and you will see. Read some Commentaries.

Just because the Apostles came together on Sunday to break bread doesn't mean the worship day was changed to Sunday. That's as plain as I can make it. If God wrote it in the Commandments, how can you possibly think one verse changes everything? It doesn't matter what day of the week First Fruits landed on in the Gregorian calendar, it's always First Fruits on the Hebrew calendar. Jesus kept the Hebrew calendar.