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McCabe’s Firing Chips Away at the Justice Department’s Independence
The Atlantic.com ^ | 3/16/18 | Adam Serwer

Posted on 03/18/2018 5:08:08 AM PDT by cotton1706

Andrew McCabe, a former acting and deputy FBI director who had drawn the ire of President Trump, was fired by Attorney General Jeff Sessions late Friday evening, a decision that raises troubling questions about the independence of both the Justice Department and the FBI.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agsessions; corruptdems; elections; mccabe; trumpdoj
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To: cotton1706

None of the executive branch main departments are “independent”. Their leaders make department policy and their leaders are selected by the president. From the president, down to the appointed leaders, down to the managers they hire, down to the staff. It is not “independence”, it’s a chain of authority that starts at the top.

The myth, as the Progressives intended, that the agencies are “independent” was NOT to shield the agencies from politics, which the chief executive uses as much as anyone, but to shield them from representative government, to create a branch of government - the regulatory state - that is not controlled by the representative government - government elected by the people.

You can see this when the Left has never complained about executive overreach generated from the politics of a president they favor. That was OK (like with Obama) because Obama’s politics was put into the state power of the regulatory state. That did not make them “independent”, in fact the DOJ was subservient to Obama’s politics more than any president since FDR.

But the regulatory state and their fellow travelers in the media did not complain about Obama’s politics on them, because he invested his politics in their power, against the law and the Constitution at times. They applauded. They did not write articles against “loss of independence” from the president.


21 posted on 03/18/2018 6:26:51 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: cotton1706
the independence partisanship of both the Justice Department and the FBI.
22 posted on 03/18/2018 6:26:56 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (60 in '18.)
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To: depressed in 06

Its a maaaad house...a maaaadddd houuuse!!!


23 posted on 03/18/2018 6:29:00 AM PDT by RonnG ( v)
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To: elpadre

All good questions. The answer? They like being answerable to themselves, not the American people.

Drain the Swamp.


24 posted on 03/18/2018 6:32:21 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: elpadre
As I recall, it is the FBI who called for McCabe’s termination, not the president

I think Wray told McCabe to step down as number 2 around the time of the memo release. McCabe said OK, I'll take terminal leave and retire. Maybe he deserved to be fired then, but he couldn't until certain administrative steps were taken. If he had 5 star performance reports from Comey, they can't just fire him. They have to build a case against a career civil service type.

25 posted on 03/18/2018 6:32:26 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: cotton1706

Title should be: McCabe’s Firing Chips Away at the Justice Department’s Illegal Control of the USA


26 posted on 03/18/2018 6:51:09 AM PDT by tiki
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To: cotton1706
Every time I think of McCabe getting canned before his million dollar retirement kicked I feel all giggly inside.
27 posted on 03/18/2018 6:51:46 AM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: tiki

Just get the details on Adam Serwer and you have the explaination for his motivation and his animus.


28 posted on 03/18/2018 6:58:22 AM PDT by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees)
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To: Slyfox

McCabe has guns and he is pissed. The FBI better disarm him. He’s made threats about taken down the organization.


29 posted on 03/18/2018 7:07:34 AM PDT by magua
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To: cotton1706
The Justice department IS NOT SUPPOSED to be independent, like the Supreme Court, free from the influence of elections.

Neither the Justice Dept nor the FBI are mentioned in the Constitution. What IS mentioned is (Article II, Section 3) "...he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,"

It is the President's constitutional duty to ensure that the laws are faithfully executed. He may delegate the job to others, but the duty remains exclusively his.

30 posted on 03/18/2018 7:12:28 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: magua

Now, if he takes down all his pals then he will be considered quite useful to us.


31 posted on 03/18/2018 7:12:54 AM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: Joe Boucher
Cboldt, if you think this has been a bit loopy, just wait. As some of the underlings start to turn rat to avoid prison, you will things really get loopy.

At least some will start thinking "If McCabe can lose his pension over lying to Congress, then that means I might be at risk too".

32 posted on 03/18/2018 7:14:50 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: cotton1706
Independence of DOJ and FBI

Independence from WHAT, exactly?

Who is it that is REQUIRED by the Constitution to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed"?

Therefore, who is IN CHARGE OF the DOJ and the FBI?

33 posted on 03/18/2018 7:17:52 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: miss marmelstein

The upper 1/3rd of all political bureaucracies, both state and federal, are NOT independent. Let’s end that lie right now.

The senior levels are appointed by politicians and hence owe their personal allegiances to the political power blocks who hired them, first and foremost.

The mid level bureaucrats owe their personal allegiances to the political power blocks within their respective bureaucracies.

The events since the 1960s have identified those two truths and the events over the last 18 months have written those truths in big, almost bloody, red ink on every bureaucratic monument to political power.

Proof of statement - how many politicians running for election have promised to clean up the existing bureaucratic messes? How many of those politicians have repromised to clean up the existing bureaucratic messes when standing for re-election? How much cleaning has actually be accomplished to date?

“Independent” bureaucracies my Aunt Melba’s rosy red @#$*&^ !!


34 posted on 03/18/2018 7:38:38 AM PDT by Nip
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To: cotton1706

The FBI is NOT an independent agency. It is an agency which is part of the US Department of Justice. The director of the FBI reports to the US Attorney General.

The FBI is a police agency. I wonder if any of the morons who are claiming the FBI needs independence would argue that the police department in their cities should be independent of (1) the mayor of that city, (2) the city prosecutor of that city, and (3) the city council of that city. Police Chiefs are routinely fired in this country for questionable activities.

The FBI brass (balls) types should be fired whenever they engage in questionable activities. When they violate the law, they should be indicted and tried. If they are convicted they should be given the maximum sentences allowed by law.

Both Comey and McCabe are attorneys. They should have known the law. They chose to put themselves above the law. The law should now crash down on both of them to remind other attorneys and “police” officers that they are NOT above the law.


35 posted on 03/18/2018 7:53:47 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (`)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

I believe ‘independent agency’ for the federal government just means it is authorized on its own by Congress.

For example, the official list of fed ‘independent agencies’ shows the CIA but not the FBI:

https://www.usa.gov/independent-agencies


36 posted on 03/18/2018 8:07:20 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: cotton1706

No, allowing a cat like this to cash in would be proof of no independence in DOJ.


37 posted on 03/18/2018 8:09:03 AM PDT by Dana1960
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To: cotton1706

The swamp is getting scared because all of a sudden, those who considered themselves “untouchable” are feeling the fingers of Justice start to run its fingers over them....


38 posted on 03/18/2018 8:13:06 AM PDT by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: Engedi

Agreed, as it would normally be the responsibility of the Director to terminate - Wray

Of course, Comey took unprecedented responsibility with his famous news conference when he laid out a perfect case to indict Hilary and then said failed to do so.

I’ve been told he lost the rank and file FBI agents at that time and that is, in my opinion, is when Comey should have been fired. But then again look who was the POTUS and who was heading DOJ.


39 posted on 03/18/2018 10:38:28 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: cotton1706
Andrew McCabe, a former acting and deputy FBI director who had drawn the ire of President Trump, was fired by Attorney General Jeff Sessions late Friday evening, a decision that raises troubling questions about the independence of both the Justice Department and the FBI.

So this author finds someone who engaged in inappropriate and possibly illegal conduct being fired for cause "troubling" but not the inappropriate and illegal conduct?

Unfortunately millions of people read and hear crap like this and believe it.

40 posted on 03/18/2018 11:37:19 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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