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We’re probably not going to find anything by “listening” for extraterrestrials
Hot Air.com ^ | March 17, 2018 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 03/17/2018 4:21:03 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

He’s an unidentified flying object
You will see Him in the air
He’s an unidentified flying object
You will drop your hands and stare
You will be afraid to tell your neighbors
They might think that it’s not true
But when they open up the morning papers
They will know they’ve seen Him too

He will come back like He promised
With the price already paid
He will gather up His followers
And take them all away

He’s an unidentified flying object
He will sweep down from the sky
He’s an unidentified flying object
Some will sleep but will not die
He’s an unidentified flying object
Coming back to take you home
He’s an unidentified flying object
He will roll away your stone

And if there’s life on other planets
Then I’m sure that He must know
And He’s been there once already
And has died to save their souls

He’s an unidentified flying object
You will see Him in the air
He’s an unidentified flying object
You will drop your hands and stare
He’s an unidentified flying object
Coming back to take you Home
He’s an unidentified flying object
He will roll away your stone

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rzz8Yfr0nWI


41 posted on 03/17/2018 5:29:11 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Barron Trump, time-traveling back from the future, to help his dad fight the deep state.)
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To: Daniel Ramsey
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42 posted on 03/17/2018 5:33:30 PM PDT by mikrofon (Weekend BUMP)
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To: raiderboy

Exactly, there is no one out there.


43 posted on 03/17/2018 5:34:06 PM PDT by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero)
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To: eclecticEel

LOL, yeah right.


44 posted on 03/17/2018 5:35:51 PM PDT by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No doubt there have been, are, and will be billions and billions of planets with intelligent life separated by billions and billions of miles and billions and billions of light years.

...

You can’t know that unless you know the probability of intelligent life.


45 posted on 03/17/2018 5:45:04 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Kaslin

If you read the books “Rare Earth & Privileged Planet”, one of them does a plausibility argument on how common extraterrestrial intelligent life might be given known physical constraints. (I forget which book and I m too lazy to dig it out. Anyway they are both worth reading!) Constraints like age of the universe, position in the galaxy, star type, star volatility, etc. Life possible systems (forget intelligent for a minute!) have to be out on the galactic rim, way too much radiation as you move inward, this means such systems have to be roughly the same age given some +/- X amount of millions of years. You say should that be enough time for a Mr Spock visit. Maybe and maybe (more likely given what we currently know!) interstellar space travel is really really hard to do! So maybe they haven’t come because they haven’t figured interstellar space travel out yet and maybe its impossible to do like in Star Trek. Maybe the best you can do is the occasional long lag time chat in RF. And maybe they’re not there! So far that fits the known facts, fact change then possibilities change!


46 posted on 03/17/2018 5:46:11 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

... A big unknown in the original Drake Equation is the average lifetime of a civilization during which they might be available to communicate with us. This window might be very short, especially if technological species are typically replaced by machines. Or it could be very long.

Reframing the question makes longevity a moot point. Frank and Sullivan ask: What is the chance that we are the only technological species and always have been? If we put the question this way, the Drake Equation boils down to A = Nast * fbt, where A is the number of technological species that have ever formed over the history of the observable universe, Nast are all the astronomical unknowns (which we now have a much better handle on than we did in 1961), and fbt are the biological unknowns, which are still many—including the fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears, the fraction of those planets on which intelligent life emerges, and the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space.

Based on recent exoplanet discoveries, Frank and Sullivan assume that one-fifth of all stars have habitable planets in orbit around them. This leads them to conclude that there should be other advanced technological civilization out there, unless the chance for developing such a civilization on a habitable planet in the observable universe is less than 1 in 1024 (a 1 with 24 zeros!). For our own Milky Way galaxy, the odds of being the only technologically advanced civilization are 1 in 60 billion. Thus, it’s very likely that other intelligent, technologically advanced species evolved before us. Even if only one in every million stars hosts a technologically advanced species today, that would still yield a total of about 300,000 such civilizations in the whole galaxy.

The Archilles’ heel of these statistical estimates is of course the biological uncertainties; Earth is still the only planet where we know life exists. The appearance of life may be extremely unlikely, and so might the evolution of technology. After all, there are many intelligent species on our planet, including dolphins, octopi, apes, parrots, and elephants, but only once in 4.6 billion years has a technologically advanced species evolved. And life cannot have appeared in the very early Universe until heavier elements produced by the explosions of many supernovas became abundant.

Still, Frank and Sullivan think their 1 in 1024 estimate constitutes a “pessimism line”—a lower bound on the probability that one or more technological species has evolved over time. And that’s good news for SETI, even if it doesn’t help us know where to look.

Link: https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/odds-were-only-technologically-advanced-species-universe-are-extremely-low-180958975/


47 posted on 03/17/2018 5:50:15 PM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
What do you mean not really. He created a lot of things and no one helped him.

That is why he is the Almighty.

48 posted on 03/17/2018 5:51:40 PM PDT by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero)
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To: Seruzawa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NjSPKxt4ts


49 posted on 03/17/2018 5:54:19 PM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: DoodleBob

They speak all our Earth languages, read and write most of them, and even disco.


50 posted on 03/17/2018 5:57:25 PM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: American in Israel

So there aren’t billions and billions of galaxies?

How many are there, then?


51 posted on 03/17/2018 6:02:33 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>https://i.imgur.com/zXSEP5Z.gif)
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To: Kaslin
We’re probably not going to find anything by “listening” for extraterrestrials

I don't know...

We seem to find 'spirits' in white noise all of the time, and it's usually backed up by green screen evidence!

52 posted on 03/17/2018 6:04:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin

Them paranormal people do it; and now so can YOU!!!

https://www.amazon.com/The-Ghost-Meter-EMF-Sensor/dp/B000ZH7G1E


53 posted on 03/17/2018 6:04:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: henkster

54 posted on 03/17/2018 6:06:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reily

We may as well return to Remulak.


55 posted on 03/17/2018 6:07:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Maudeen
Countless hours spent on extraterrestrial sitings (physical/audible) is for naught if one misses the Plan of Salvation (believing in the Lord Jesus Christ) from the One who controls the universe and beyond.

Hie thee to Kolob

56 posted on 03/17/2018 6:09:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: VanShuyten

SETI@home was a pioneer in the distributed computing that led to “install this app and mine Bitcoin”. Or even worse, the magazines saying “let us mine cryptocurrency with your browser while you read”.


57 posted on 03/17/2018 6:11:32 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: raiderboy
The reason we find nothing is because there is nothing . God chose only to create MAN on the Earth. God created the heavens AND THE EARTH. Get it?

You'll forgive us if we don't take your word for it and keep searching, yes?

58 posted on 03/17/2018 6:12:18 PM PDT by Simon Green
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To: Seruzawa
There’s probably life elsewhere.

Probably??

BAsed on what data?

59 posted on 03/17/2018 6:12:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DoodleBob
Well, there is THIS possibility:

I'm not terribly worried. :-)

60 posted on 03/17/2018 6:13:25 PM PDT by Simon Green
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