Posted on 03/16/2018 12:22:10 AM PDT by lowbuck
Rand Paul launched a typically obnoxious attack on Gina Haspel today. Here is one account:
“To really appoint the head cheerleader for waterboarding to be head of the CIA? How can you trust somebody who did that to be in charge of the CIA,” Paul wondered, adding, “To read of her glee during the waterboarding is just absolutely appalling.”
Paul was referring to an account of a waterboarding session with suspected al Qaeda lieutenant Abu Zubaydah, who was subjected to so-called enhanced interrogation techniques now widely considered to be torture. ., .
The problem is that this conduct appears to be misattributed to Haspel. A U.S. intelligence official provided this statement:
Senator Paul’s claims today about Gina Haspel are not only inaccurate, but contradicted by the very source materials he relied on. The Senator quotes liberally from page 263 of James Mitchell’s book “Enhanced Interrogation” in describing the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah in claiming that Ms. Haspel was the CIA Chief of Base who was present and expressing joy at this interrogation. A reading of the same page demonstrates that the Chief of Base present and quoted during this event was a man, not Gina Haspel. This is just one of many false claims about Ms. Haspel being peddled by the uninformed. . . snip
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No. The “leap” to “feelings” came from the poster who tried to claim Rand’s positions was alright because he had “strong feelings” (as if too hell with his THOUGHTS) on the nominee to head the CIA. That person as much as called Rand a Snowflake - does things because THAT’S how he “feels”.
It is basterdization and abuse of the language to make judgements regarding facts and ideas as if based on “feelings” instead of what one is THINKING. To say “I feel” when what is meant is “I think” is wrong and begins to conflate the two, “feelings” and “thoughts” as synonymous, which they are not.
She WAS there to oversee some other stuff, genius.
She wasn’t there during the waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah, which is what Rand Paul was moaning about, genious.
Not that I would care. Pansies object to waterboarding, not me.
And she will be confirmed. And I’ll applaud.
Fear not, all is forgiven. ;^)
You took feelings out of context and ran with it. If opinion instead of feelings does not hurt your feelings, then please substitute for that.
” I will never support torture. I am a lawyer and a former JAG officer “
JAG Officers don’t have to face the brunt of terrorists on the battlefield. I’m a veteran infantryman paratrooper.
Also, it is NOT torture, unless you accept the bastardized definition of Obama. Our special ops have used waterboarding as a training technique for many years.
We enhanced interrogation on Khalid Sheik Mohammed, which led to tracking OBL courier. Without waterboarding Bin Laden is still out there.
Aha...you lick Putin’s boots but find it easy to critique Trump.
I will criticize President Trump when I feel that he is not being loyal to the Deplorable Agenda. I know his heart is with us. I fear that some of the polliwogs he brought to DC have drunk the swamp water and can’t be trusted. His foreign policy was supposed to undo ISIS, which was created by Obama policies, then leave the Middle East. What happened? Why do we still have troops in Syria? They should not have been there in the first place.
“I have zero problem with waterboarding and other enhanced methods. I personally would use wirecutters on fingers without hesitation.”
I was trained to take PWs and learned a few things about how they’re processed after initial in-processing. Also a little history on the subject (having done some instruction, too). Won’t go into it in depth much for security reasons, but our forefathers knew best. There are seemingly unrelated (to civilians) but serious consequences for torturing prisoners, and it doesn’t work well.
Psychological and seemingly benign situational methods work better. Same goes for escape tactics.
But for one of the consequences that can be mentioned here, soldiers don’t need goose chases started by know-it-all-civilians with false intel. Combat patrols often being probes for being intentionally ambushed for other good reasons, they are often costly in a real war.
We don’t need a monkey chorus of REMFs and civilians shouting for other wanna-be civilians to mess up what soldiers can accomplish.
The real alt-right and Identitarians are looking forward to stopping foreign commie expansionism both inside and outside of our countries. It’s not a society of introspective navel gazers wishing to be nuked from beyond our borders. And that’s no surprise, seeing the obvious conservative direction.
As for the nomination, no one will be torturing anyone anyway. That’s already been settled. It’s irrelevant to the discussion. The nomination is only an attempt at a PC AA appointment to please progs who haven’t been red-pilled.
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First of all, Senator Paul was given false information and went Public with it. It makes him look foolish.
Secondly, Waterboarding was considered an enhanced Interrogation tool that was used very selectively, not Torture. I’m surprised that some FReepers sound like Democrats in this regard.
Waterboarding does not cause any temporary or permanent physical harm. It isn’t pleasant, yet certain segments of our own Military are exposed to it as part of their Training so they know what to expect if Captured.
Just my $.02, your Mileage may vary...
10-4. I’m tired of pansy-assed after-the-fact whiners trashing the patriots who did what needed to be done. Awww...widdle ferrorists got panties on the head...awww....got waterboarded awww....now you did it, you upset the head choppers.
Fuk’em. They got off easy. It was me, I’d have used pliers and a blowtorch. God bless our cia field guys and gals, and military.
“Why do we still have troops in Syria? They should not have been there in the first place.”
No. US foreign policy will go after terrorists, no matter where they are, if possible. So, we are rightfully in Syria, destroying ISIS.
ISIS is critically decimated but the job is not over, yet. US troops are there in a very limited capacity, mostly special operations and some air power. Trump is doing a great job. It is the Russians who violated the agreed to demarcation line and put Trump to the test. Russia’s former Spetznaz Wagner group contractors paid the price for that Putin miscalculation.
We’re not destroying ISIS anymore. We’re helping traitors who still strive to violently overthrow their government. Let Assad decide who is and isn’t in Syrian territory.
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