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$2.3 billion goof: New commuter trains too wide for tunnels
wnd.com ^ | 3/14/2018 | Unknow

Posted on 03/15/2018 9:22:54 AM PDT by rktman

No one disputes this Australian state’s need to upgrade its rail-transit fleet after 40 years of service.

The New South Wales regional train system in and around Sydney operates with a variety of trains, the oldest rolling stock – called V-sets – and newer XPT longer-distance carriers. After four decades, purchasing 512 new carriages at a cost of $2.3 billion had become a necessity. And with the purchase, commuters can look forward to mobile-phone charging stations, accessible toilets and more space for bike racks and luggage.

All good … except for one rather major problem.

The new trains are too wide for existing tunnels, reports News.com.au.

Whereas Transport for NSW’s current trains are 114.17 inches wide, the replacement trains on order are 122.05 inches in width. Because trains sway and tilt, particularly when rounding curves, TfNSW set a minimum clearance, or “kinematic envelope,” of 7.88 inches around the current rolling stock. That, coincidentally, is only one-hundreth of an inch wider than the increased width of the new trains. New trains tilting inside tunnels are expected to experience scraping on portions of the roof and base as they make contact with the rock walls.

“It takes a special type of incompetence to buy trains that don’t fit through the tunnels,” said state opposition leader Luke Foley.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: australiatrains; choochoo; engineers
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To: Jeff Chandler

This is why they took away everyone’s guns.


21 posted on 03/15/2018 9:58:59 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: rktman

After a few trips thru the tunnel they should be down to the appropriate size........


22 posted on 03/15/2018 10:00:04 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My cat is not fat, she is just big boned........)
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To: rktman

We had a hospital addition built here, and the room door openings were too small for the beds.

This kind of thing probably happens more often than we know.


23 posted on 03/15/2018 10:00:23 AM PDT by VMI70
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To: Doogle

You left off : “....that’ll leave a mahk!”. Using yer best Aussie accent of course.


24 posted on 03/15/2018 10:00:24 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman
No one disputes this Australian

At first glance I thought it said Austrian. I nearly gave myself a heart attack.

25 posted on 03/15/2018 10:02:11 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: VMI70
Air craft carrier with a totally enclosed space. No body put in water tight doors. Anywhere. Old sailors tale or true. 😹🇺🇸
26 posted on 03/15/2018 10:04:07 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

Similar to Seattle’s transit tunnels. They were going to get ahead of the game and construct a tunnel system for both buses and light rail, even though the rail system was several years out. Wouldn’t you know it, the rail authority chose a different size railcar and track width then what had been constructed...


27 posted on 03/15/2018 10:05:11 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: Poison Pill
You were probably thinkin' when Ahnold visits Vienna he could just muscle it wider? 🍿🍻😹🇺🇸
28 posted on 03/15/2018 10:05:49 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: Fresh Wind

Apply KY jelly to the taxpayers...


29 posted on 03/15/2018 10:06:26 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: shotgun

Too much Starbucks?


30 posted on 03/15/2018 10:07:53 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

More like too much buck$


31 posted on 03/15/2018 10:09:13 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: Jeff Chandler
Are these Australian democRATS who made this massive mistake?

If so, it explains everything.

32 posted on 03/15/2018 10:17:05 AM PDT by HotHunt
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To: rktman

When government does it, they just raise taxes on the people. If a business does it, it loses money or goes bankrupt. Why government should not run things.


33 posted on 03/15/2018 10:18:20 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media deliberately and intentionally chooses to lie, with full awareness and knowledge.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

By some strange coincidence, those odd looking imperial measurements have metric equivalents that happen to be fairly close to “round numbers”:

114.17 inches = 2899.918 mm or 2.9 meters

122.05 inches = 3100.07 mm or 3.1 meters

It’s almost as if the trains and their tunnels were designed based on the metric system. /s


34 posted on 03/15/2018 10:23:59 AM PDT by Bob (Damn, the democrats haven't been this upset since Republicans freed their slaves.)
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To: rktman
French 'Calamity' Carrier (Charles De Gaulle) Heads For Sea - Again

"The ship's flightdecks, it became clear, were too short to accommodate the American Hawkeye radar aircraft that France had bought for the vessel. In addition, the decks had been painted with a substance that eroded the arrest wires used to slow the aircraft as they landed."

35 posted on 03/15/2018 10:29:05 AM PDT by blam
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To: Bob

Well no wonder they screwed it up. As mrs. rktman would say, “Sure that looks like a foot.” As she rolls her eyes at me measuring something.


36 posted on 03/15/2018 10:33:01 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

A foot?? Braggart. ;=)


37 posted on 03/15/2018 10:38:51 AM PDT by Bob (Damn, the democrats haven't been this upset since Republicans freed their slaves.)
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To: rktman

Common Core math.


38 posted on 03/15/2018 11:04:55 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Bob
👀 Not just an eye roll. Pointing and 😹 as well. 👹
39 posted on 03/15/2018 11:08:41 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: Bob
It’s almost as if the trains and their tunnels were designed based on the metric system. /s

It's not a metric vs. imperial issue really. The numbers they used are what they are. The real question that hasn't been asked or answered in any of the articles I've read on this issue is "How wide are the tunnels"? The safety envelope was based on the old trains. They assumed x for sway, so they needed y for safety, but they don't say how much room they actually have in any of the articles.

Are they just sitting on their butts saying the new trains are too wide based on the old safety envelopes, or do they actually know the tunnels in question are too narrow. The safety envelope and the tunnel width are two separate deals. That would also imply track separation between trains, not just side-to-side/ceiling clearance within the tunnel walls.

Also, does it affect every line, or only certain lines? These things matter.

40 posted on 03/15/2018 11:55:39 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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