Back to Mars Hill: Gnosticism, baphomet, cyborgs, death of the west

Renew America ^ | Mar. 3, 2018 | Linda Kimball

[spirited irish]

Though names have changed over time and new members added, it remains the case that behind the murderous Soviet Union, Hitler's occult National Socialist Reich, the ongoing destruction of the West, redistribution of its wealth, and replacement of Westerners and Americans with Muslims, there has been a powerful financial coterie of 'elite' progressives and like- minded travelers committed to a mystical pantheist worldview, apotheosis, self-empowerment, revolution and death. From the turn of the century till now, the coterie has been financing catastrophic worldwide wars, revolutions and mass murder, particularly of faithful Jews and Christians since the turn of the century:

[spirited irish]

ping

[ckilmer]

I have argued recently that St Paul’s Mar’s Hill speech was his greatest failure.

[Fiji Hill]

They Locked God Outside the Iron Curtain

They locked God outside the Iron Curtain
On old Satan, they have placed a kingly crown.
But this evil nation shall never find salvation
Till the Lord tears the Iron Curtain down.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Why? I don’t see anything about this reported scene of post-Christian muck that looks anything like it at all.

[gunnyg]

I note that several paragraphs are related to Quigley, Buuba Clinton’s college teacher in DC!

Quigley’s book T&H as I recall was recalled, rewritten, etc.
And the originals either very rare or non-existent.

[D_Idaho]

Please explain.

[fishtank]

It would help to see a roadmap to that conclusion.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Sounds like an insinuation of some kind to me.

If fails have occurred in connection with scripture readings, look at the presuppositions of the readers.

[avenir]

Look back at all the prophets. Talk about failure! If men do not listen to God’s legitimate offer to them in space-time, the failure is on THEM not Him (or the messengers He sends).

[HiTech RedNeck]

True enough... Are we expecting hypnotists? Or reasonable case makers who can be willfully ignored?

[sparklite2]

Other items by this bombastic writer include
“The World is a Computer Simulation in the
Minds of Robotic Overlords.” Consume at your peril.

[avenir]

Hypnotists, it seems.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Youuuuu arrrrrre geeeeeeeetting sleeeeeepy.....

[HiTech RedNeck]

Nope. “Wake up before sin sends you to hell!”

[spirited irish]

The author is not bombastic. It is you who do not understand that Nick Bostrom's suggestion re: the world is a computer simulation in the minds of robotic overlords is merely a technological permutation of "the universe exists only as a mental construction in the mind of Brahman: brahma satyam jagan mithya, or "Brahman is real, the world is unreal." (swamij.com/mahavakyas) "

Scrooge was a materialist. For him all that exists is the physical world, thus he attributed Marley's visitation to a bit of bad meat.

Transhumanists like Bostrom ascribe to the Hindu pantheist creed that the physical world is an illusion because 'reality' is an energy field, or quantum void.

[sparklite2]

My gawd, you’re as bad as her. Are you her?

[Garth Tater]

Yeah, it did kind of sneak past the gatekeepers, but it is still available. You can download it for free here on archive.org

Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time" [pdf]

I find it amazing that one of the world's most respected historians told us all what was going on 50 years ago and the powers-that-be still managed to brush it under the rug.

My favorite quote from his book:

"[T]he powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. this system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle,Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations....

"It must not be felt that these heads of the world's chief central banks were themselves substantive powers in world finance. They were not. Rather, they were the technicians and agents of the dominant investment bankers of their own countries, who had raised them up and were perfectly capable of throwing them down. The substantive financial powers of the world were in the hands of these investment bankers (also called 'international' or 'merchant' bankers) who remained largely behind the scenes in their own unincorporated private banks. These formed a system of international cooperation and national dominance which was more private, more powerful, and more secret than that of their agents in the central banks. this dominance of investment bankers was based on their control over the flows of credit and investment funds in their own countries and throughout the world. They could dominate the financial and industrial systems of their own countries by their influence over the flow of current funds though bank loans, the discount rate, and the re-discounting of commercial debts; they could dominate governments by their own control over current government loans and the play of the international exchanges. Almost all of this power was exercised by the personal influence and prestige of men who had demonstrated their ability in the past to bring off successful financial coupes, to keep their word, to remain cool in a crisis, and to share their winning opportunities with their associates."

[ckilmer]

There are a couple reasons for arguing that Paul’s Mar’s Hill speech is his greatest failure.

The first is readily apparent. While the text says he convinced a couple people as a result of his speech—we don’t hear subsequently that a church was set up there. There is a book of Rome, Corinth, Ephesus Galatia etc. But there is no book of Athens.

Something happened in Athens.

Now the reason St Pauls Mars Hill Speech is so famous is because it sounds so modern.

Why does the speech sound so modern? Because he is talking to philosophers (stoics & epicureans) who believe that man is the measure of all things. They don’t actually believe in the goddess Athena. They don’t believe in the old gods. That’s why they say man is the measure of all things. They are the moderns of the day. Its a bottom’s up approach. But because Paul wants to be all things to all people so that he can win a few over to God—Pauls starts from the philosopher’s premise: Man is the measure of all things. Paul’s speech sounds so modern because it sounds like a college professor’s speech. He sounds like he’s describing Christianity to a bunch of skeptical undergraduates in a way that does not fundamentally disagree with their frames of reference—that is—with their structure of knowledge and wisdom. The operant word above is the word “descriptive”. Paul’s speech is descriptive. He is describing the “unknown God”.By being descriptive rather than prescriptive—Paul robs God of power. The only power we see on display is Paul oratory. We don’t see the power of God.

The reason Paul could not be prescriptive with the philosophers was because in order to be prescriptive he would have had to change his premises and his ontological view—both of which were alien to the greek philosophers. His ontological view begins in God—(not man). God is the only independent uncreated being in the universe. He created the universe. Therefor the premise of a prescriptive speech on God is that “God is the measure of all things.” Its a top down views—rather than a bottoms up view like philosphy.

If Paul had been prescriptive with the Athenian philosphers he would have just looked like a fool.

How do we know all this?

Its instructive to notice where Paul goes from Athens. Paul goes to Corinth. That’s where he writes the Corinthians I II.

Here he writes about the way he preached to the Corinthians

1 Corinthians 2:4

New International Version
My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power,

New Living Translation
And my message and my preaching were very plain. Rather than using clever and persuasive speeches, I relied only on the power of the Holy Spirit.

English Standard Version
and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
...............
Why did Paul oppose plausible words of wisdom/clever and persuasive speeches/persuasive speeches . to a demonstration of the Spirit’s power/ the power of the Holy Spirit/demonstration of the Spirit and of power,

Why indeed? Because plausible words of wisdom/clever and persuasive speeches/persuasive speeches is what he did in Athens and it got him nowhere. And the result was no church.

By Paul’s reckoning the reason he got no church was that his words gave no demonstration of the Spirit’s power/ the power of the Holy Spirit/no demonstration of the Spirit and of power,

But it did give him a new view on his ministry which he talks about at length in 1 Corinthians 1

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”[c]

20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

[Pagey]

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