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The AR-15: 'America's rifle' or killer weapon?
Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | 2/27/2018 | BEN SCHMITT

Posted on 02/27/2018 8:09:30 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden

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To: skimbell
I'm not a big AR-15 fan. I have a few and they are OK, but when I think of "America's Rifle", I imagine a Winchester 94.

I've owned an AR and would like to get another (prefer an FN SCAR...) but my fav for the "America's Rifle" title would also be the '94. My mother found one under the floor boards of an old burned out house on the Idaho prairie. I refinished it last year and have it mounted on my dining room wall. Beautiful rifle with such a rich history.


21 posted on 02/27/2018 9:22:29 AM PST by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

AR15’s are our Liberty Teeth.


22 posted on 02/27/2018 9:25:54 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

What’s pathetic about this is that the lib-tards are abjectly ignorant of firearms in general, which causes them to write moronic and largely unenforceable laws.

They have this besotted notion that the AR15 is an uncommonly lethal weapon, when the truth is there hasn’t been a single day in the 50+ years a 5.56NATO rifle has been in service in the US armed forces that some sober and rational individual somewhere hasn’t questioned whether it was “enough gun” to be combat effective. And it has shown repeatedly that it is “fussy” about what you feed it. Use the wrong ammunition (particularly M855) and it tends to leave clean, thru-and-thru “ice pick” wounds on gaunt, lean men. And there are drumbeats once again that it will be replaced with something larger and more (suitably) powerful.

It’s a glorified varmint cartridge. It’s nicknamed the “poodle-shooter.” It isn’t even powerful enough to be legal to hunt deer with in many states. Yet the libs are blowing up over it.

But if you ban it, there are plenty of rifles champing at the bit to take its place at the top of the “firearms food chain,” all feeding from “quick-change” detachable box magazines, and many of them chambered in much, much more powerful cartridges (PTR-91, Springfield M1A1, HK 43, yadda, yadda, yadda ...).

Just imagine the demoncrat caterwauling if the next school shooter walks into a kindergarten armed with an FN BAR and starts blasting 45-lb school kiddies with a 300WinMag. Then they’ll be trying to pass a law that all school shooters and other mental defectives MUST use an AR-15 in 5.56.


23 posted on 02/27/2018 9:28:30 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: MHGinTN

“Question posed incorrectly: ‘Is the right to own this weapon more important than someone’s life?’”

True that the question is posed incorrectly.

More correctly it would be: “Is someone’s right to own this weapon more important than another someone’s right to life?”

That leads to “Is someone’s right to own this weapon to secure their right to life more important than another someone’s right to life?” (Of course that doesn’t address any other reason for owning this weapon.)

That poses a conflict of rights.

Atrocious (these massacres are atrocities, not tragedies) as the criminal misuses of this weapon are, I’d say the default is to the right to own this weapon to secure the right to life, other rights, and perhaps for other reasons.

I believe that one of the reasons this weapon is misused as often as it is, is because it is so popular and numerous. Even so, its criminal use is not that prevalent; It’s just often “spectacular” when it happens. If it is eliminated, the default for criminal misuse will be to the next most popular and numerous weapon.

In the Parkland school case, there seems to have been a lot that wasn’t done that should have been done. All this should be addressed before anything else.


24 posted on 02/27/2018 9:34:23 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Daveinyork

[Apparently the outrage over the AK 47 has faded.]

Amazing isn’t it. I remember that insanity by the antis back in the early to mid-90s. The AR-15’s “crime” is that it is popular because it is a modular gun system that can run right along side some of the most accurate bolt guns.

Its been available to the public for over 55 years in the civilian version. JFK was given one of the first ones from Colt.


25 posted on 02/27/2018 9:37:57 AM PST by headstamp 2 (My "White Privilege" is my work ethic.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

IMHO the AK74 round is superior to the 5.56 because it tumbles more readily, making it a shreddah dontchaknow. Would love to be able to affords an SBR in that AK 74 caliber.


26 posted on 02/27/2018 10:02:36 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Daveinyork

10-15 years ago..it was the Glock pistol that was the “boogey man” for the left...all youd was how “dangerous” the Glock was...the guns havent changed..the people have.


27 posted on 02/27/2018 10:06:09 AM PST by basalt
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To: Paal Gulli

the “Navy Yard” shooter used a tactical shotgun....and did some serious damage..


28 posted on 02/27/2018 10:08:15 AM PST by basalt
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

The news media never had a problem with rifles back when their main targets were handguns.
In 1934, there was an attempt to add handguns to the anti-machine gun laws, as it was believed the BEST weapon for home defense was a rifle.
In 1968, some congressmen wanted to ban handguns as they felt a semi-auto magazine fed M-1 carbine was best for home defense.
In 1981, actress Lee Grant went on ABC and yelled..”THE NRA IS A RIFLE ORGANIZATION! THEY SHOULD GIVE UP THEIR HANDGUNS AND THEY CAN KEEP THEIR RIFLES!”
HANDGUN CONTROL INC said they had no problem with rifles, they ONLY wanted to control handguns. That changed in 1988.

In 1988, Josh Sugarmann led the first attack against rifles.


29 posted on 02/27/2018 10:18:59 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Re-open the insane asylums, stop drugging the kids.)
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To: bert
The fact that contributes to the hatred of the rifle described in article is the missing walnut. Instead of wholesome looking walnut, there is threatening black plastic and metal.

Good Gun

Evil Gun

Same gun

30 posted on 02/27/2018 10:24:48 AM PST by itsahoot (There will be division, as long as there is money to be divided.)
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To: Daveinyork

First it was small handguns they hated.
Then it was 5-shot bolt action army surplus rifles they hated.
Then it was ALL handguns.
Then it was UZI rifles.
Then it was Mac-10s.
Then Tec-9s.
Then SKS rifles.
Then AK-47s.
Then it was single shot 50 cal rifles.
Then AR-15s.
Next it will be the bolt action rifle they will call a “Sniper Rifle”.


31 posted on 02/27/2018 10:31:16 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Re-open the insane asylums, stop drugging the kids.)
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To: itsahoot

Correction. Same receiver. Everything else is different.


32 posted on 02/27/2018 10:33:57 AM PST by DownInFlames
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To: basalt

Saiga 12 Shotgun With High Capacity Drum

33 posted on 02/27/2018 10:40:41 AM PST by itsahoot (There will be division, as long as there is money to be divided.)
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To: Paal Gulli
"They have this besotted notion that the AR15 is an uncommonly lethal weapon, when the truth is there hasn’t been a single day in the 50+ years a 5.56NATO rifle has been in service in the US armed forces that some sober and rational individual somewhere hasn’t questioned whether it was “enough gun” to be combat effective."

Originally, the platform that was built by Eugene Stoner was the AR-10, which chambered the much more powerful 7.62 round. My understanding is that once the Army selected that as the new standard rifle they had to conform to the strictures of NATO who wanted the smaller 5.56 round, thus was born the M-16 by colt and the followup civilian AR-15 by Armalite.

One of the reasons for a lot of the early problems was the fact that the platform was originally built for the larger round.

And where did Mr. Eugene Stoner (the father of the most popular rifle) learn his expertise of weaponry? In the United States Marines of course!! Americas big gun club....
34 posted on 02/27/2018 10:44:43 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Next it will be the bolt action rifle they will call a “Sniper Rifle”.

So they're finally getting around to me. I'm short, have knee problems, and tend to run a little bit overweight: I'm not much good in melee situations, but I can sneak with the best of them and have great distance vision. I've made my gun purchases accordingly ... 30.06 fitted with the best non-night vision scope that I could find. Zeroed for 500 yards.

Of course, I have mid-range rifles .. Henry lever-action 30-30 and shotguns, along with a CZ-52 and a Taurus Judge. But I know what I'm best with ...

35 posted on 02/27/2018 10:49:49 AM PST by BlueLancer (Black Rifle Coffee - Freedom, guns, tits, bacon, and booze!)
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To: itsahoot
Same gun different furniture. Cosmetics ... which shows how shallow the mind of the twisted leftist.
36 posted on 02/27/2018 10:51:39 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: faithhopecharity

And my belt buckle is a killer weapon as well.
When libs who’s minds are made up before discussing anything start injecting emotions into a debate - it’s DOA.


37 posted on 02/27/2018 10:51:56 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (This country & world is living on borrowed time (Luke 17:26-27))
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To: itsahoot

Those photos prompted my post.


38 posted on 02/27/2018 10:52:10 AM PST by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: itsahoot

Don’t kid yourself. To liberals, no privately owned gun is a good gun.


39 posted on 02/27/2018 10:56:07 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

The use of any firearm or other possibly dangerous equipment depends on who is using it and why. There are far fewer deaths caused by firearms than by drug overdoses or vehicle crashes.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4
Murder Victims
by Weapon, 2012–2016

2016

Handguns 7,105

Rifles 374


40 posted on 02/27/2018 11:30:41 AM PST by familyop (President Trump said that we're all important, so let's do something!)
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