Posted on 02/18/2018 11:38:49 PM PST by kelly4c
The perturbed pair who took in Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz back in November have opened up about living with the teen and say they didn't see the danger he posed.
Kimberly, 49, a neonatal intensive care nurse, and James Snead, 48, a military intelligence analyst, agreed to allow the 19-year-old live in their Parkland home after their son, a friend to Cruz, inquired.
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They allowed him to have a collection of powerful guns and knives! Even though they knew he was a troubled kid, they were taking him to therapy, they KNEW he has troubled. One would think that they would have been a bit concerned to allow that situation to exist. Is anyone else curious as to how long the couple have lived at this address?
When my daughter was growing up we took in one of her friends down the block for awhile. His father had started coming around drunk and mom was more than good with him staying at our house because she had to work a lot. But we knew the kid well. And he was still in school, under 16. If he had come with a collection of guns uh I don’t think so...but I thought this Nikolas Cruz was a loner with no friends? Of course that was probably a generalization, everyone has at least one right? Wonder for how long their son was friends with Cruz.
Could be, but tbh they might not have known any of that. It depends on how well they knew him. Was it months, or years prior to taking him in, or was he a “stray” brought home as thus far just a school friend of their sons with a sob story sad enough for them to open their home to this relative stranger? But they allowed him access to his weapons, and even took him to counseling. So they had to know him pretty well, or thought they did. Otherwise, who would do that? We need more background info.
And for allowing juvenile delinquents to RULE the schools, Sue Broward County Schook Board and the Sheriff’s office....
Here’s why Nikolas Cruz was never busted at school is due to the new 2013 NAACP collaborative discipline policy:
Link to the Br. County School Discipline ‘Agreement” signed by the Sheriff, State Atty & local judges.
These infractions will NOT result in suspension, expulsion or notification to the police. Instead they receive warnings, lectures, & a stern scolding!
All student misbehavior and these non-violent infractions:
Disrupting or Interfering with class
Affray - fighting in a public place
Theft if less than $300
Vandalism damages < $1,000
Disorderly conduct
Trespassing
Criminal Mischief
Gambling
Loitering
Prowling
Harrassment
Alcohol -all related offenses
Possession of Cannabis
Drug Paraphernalia
Threats
Obstructing Justice w/out Violence
“Go ahead kids. Smoke pot, booze it up, fight, THREATEN a teacher and tear the bloody place up! The NAACP & Broward schools & sheriff got your back. Since your family has failed, a sanctuary program for criminal youth continues at your school.
His mother and several neighbors had called the police: Assault, criminal trespass, voyeurism, animal abuse, destruction of private property, threats, trespassing, mail theft, curfew, noise ordinance, domestic violence, throwing rocks at cars (felony).
He said, you said, they said. Bull excrement! The problem no one wants to admit they were too PC correct to address an issue
Some prying nosey reporter needs to dig into the adoption records.
Who places a newborn and 2 year old with Dad (62yearsold) and Mom (50yearsold)? American adoption agencies never place children under six years old with a parent over 50 or if the combined parental age is in excess of 100 years old unless it’s an in-family adoption. Since the extended family has had nothing to do with them, a cousin-niece adoption is unlikely.
It’s appears the Cruz’s may have been a victim of the Russian dumping ground for the FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) kids. They exporting a high volume of FAS kids during the 80’s and 90’s. Then Putin abruptly shut it down.
Russia discovered a gay American/Australian couple renting their adopted Russian toddler boy’s body for filmed rapes by an assortment of men. These child-porn videos were being distributed worldwide. If it hadn’t been for the Russian kids being prostituted, they’d probably still be sending FAS babies here to American parents.
The role of LEO is not to prevent crime, it’s to catch criminals after, to manny Do-Gooder’s see race not the criminal. Same goes for the court system. It does not deal with Juvies beyond the violent ones, states don’t have prison space usually 1 juvy prison for the entire state. Where once we had Reform Schools, we now have Commutity Service playing basket ball with poor kids as punishment. Adult Prisions are not much better, more geared to Male than Female, to soft on prisoners, nurseries for mom’s, Cable TV for Death Row where they sit 30+ yrs until they die of old age fighting appeals even with DNA proof. Best medical care, food for their religions, bulk up gyms, congical visits. And it’s not all just Cali prisons that way.
If they catch them it’s 2-3 yrs till tried, meanwhile out on bail committing more crimes. The 11 Month 29 Day Penal Farm is a 30% serve rate, with most having 30-60 or more felonies each. DUI’s spend the weekend picking up trash even if it’s their 6th DUI on suspended license.
Rape kits pile up by the thousands in Memphis for a decade untested LIBERALS in charge of the city, Police, and schools, which are nothing but violence, sex, gangs, drugs dens and no control by Authorties. Memphis had 350 murders last year, several small children were killed while playing, sitting in a car or shot through a kitchen window washing dishes as one 14 yr old girl was. Not to mention the ones their mom’s boyfriend killed, or the mom in some cases.
I just saw that last night too. What struck me as odd was the one brother blowing off the threats early on that his younger brother wanted to kill him. After seeing the 1st letter with the drawing on there, I’d have taken it very seriously!
Cruz was with the Sneads for a month. That’s it. They didn’t have time to see the warning signs. He wasn’t expelled in that time. He was no longer with high school friends who could tell them about him. Since he was now out of high school, I doubt his coworkers at dollar tree got any warning signs from Cruz.
Sorry but you people in your unbridled anger are criticizing the wrong people in blaming the Sneads. Cruz didn’t live with them long enough to have been able to see the warning signs. I don’t care if they let him have guns. All they knew was that he was depressed over the recent death of his mother.
They chalked everything up to that. They had no clue he was mentally ill, or had been expelled from school, or had police called to his mothers 39 times. He was not a friend of Cruz’s mother. Some go between asked them to take him in. The Snead’s didn’t know Cruz before they took him in and just thought he was a depressed kid because he his mother just died and he had no father.
The FBI blew this. They had genuine tips from people how violent he was and how likely he was to act on it.
The Sneads just knew Cruz as a depressed teen they took in for a month before he shot up the school. They are blameless.
You people are very unreasonable to blame them. You are wrong to blame them. They had nothing to do with his upbringing and were with him too short a time to have been able to see the warning signs. They certainly had no one give them any background information on him either.
My God you people are judgmental and rash. Where is reason?
That’s an ok argument. But I think a lot of people are wondering why they allowed him such privileges since he was an adult, effectively out of school, on his own, and attempting to work. I can only assume the next step was self-sustenance. It would seem to be among a set of common sense/courtesy rules...no smoking in the house, no girls in your bedroom or overnight, no dogs. And among those sorts of restrictions - no guns would have to among those. It really has nothing to do with guns really - just practical priorities. If you can’t put a roof over your head - maybe you have better things to spend your money on than an arsenal of weapons...or maintain a dog...or a woman. Priorities. I think those are reasonable restrictions and no one should fear being seen as “anti-gun” for asking a transient guest to live within those boundaries.
I think these folks who took him in saw him through the eyes of their son, who was still in high school - more like a kid - and not an adult.
But I think those are the questions - not so much what they really knew about the kid.
The FBI lied through their teeth about that, and no doubt will come up with some stupid excuse as to what happened with the tip line call.
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Well, I suppose they were too busy investigating possible collusion between the Russians and the Trump campaign.
New motto: “See something, say something, do absolutely nothing.”
I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. Like I said, we need more information before coming to a judgement. I have taken in teens who were friends of my daughters. I wouldnt have allowed the guns in the house, or at least not allow the boarder access to them while living with me though.
That's because we don't put non-criminals in prison.
I don’t think anyone here is putting any blame whatsoever on this family for what Cruz ultimately did. It’s all on him. That goes without saying, but I just wanted to be clear.
Wow. I knew things were bad, but WOW.
I have been watching Undercover High, about a school in Knoxville Tennessee, and the completely lack of control is astounding. I mean, this goes way beyond lax discipline to where kids are texting all through class and the teachers just let them.
And some of these kids are going to be US Senators some day.
I am terrified by the thought of it.
Of course, more likely they will all be unskilled burger flippers or worse.
A month is not enough time to get to know someone. As they knew him better, maybe they would have prohibited his guns in the house.
All they saw was a severely depressed kid. Knowing his mother just died, it is possible they were cutting him a lot of slack.
“Hey honey, this 19 year old is depressed over his mother’s recent death. Hey, lets take all his guns away so he goes over the edge and slits his wrists in the bathtub while we are at work.”
See my point. They had him like a month or 90 days. They didn’t know him. They didn’t know he was mentally ill or a massive problem with police. With his mothers recent death, that all they thought his problem was. Just simple grieving he would get over in time.
That is why they said they now realize he was a monster. They didn’t have the time to know and attributed any strange behavior to normally expected grief over recently losing his mother.
I don’t see how anybody could blame this nice couple for any part in this disaster. They were nice enough to take in an adult stranger. Honestly, I would never have done that. I would have said, “tough nuts, I can’t take him in”.
They are better Christians than I am. They gave food and shelter to a person in need when I would not have.
God Bless them.
No, but many are saying they should have known he was a monster. And I don’t see at all how they could have known in such a short time after the mothers death. Anything he did weird would be chalked up to grieving depression.
Everybody acts pretty weird when they lose their parents young. How could the Sneads see through what they saw as normal grief after horrific loss to the underlying mental illness? I don’t think that is fair to expect that they could.
But thanks for clearing that up. Was curious how blindsided this family was about the kid (young adult actually) Like how well they knew him or his past. That would have made all the difference in their decision to allow him to bring in his firearms imo. If even that in his state of depression was not a good idea. Not that he couldn’t have stashed them elsewhere and retrieve at his leisure.... but they seem to be good Samaritans regardless. I just found it ironic the husband works for the government. It perked up my conspiracy theorist antenna for a moment :)
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