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Trump imposes 30 percent tariff on solar panel imports
The Hill ^ | 01/22/18 | Timothy Cama

Posted on 01/23/2018 7:13:40 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com

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1 posted on 01/23/2018 7:13:40 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

If it weren’t for massive government subsidies solar panels would be reserved for calculators and charging batteries. If there was a market for them a 30% increase in price would have only a minor impact in the market. Keep in mind a solar powered car still travels slower than a human can go on a bicycle.


2 posted on 01/23/2018 7:16:40 PM PST by LukeL
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Start making those solar panels here in America, by Americans and avoid those tarrifs.


3 posted on 01/23/2018 7:17:01 PM PST by Angels27
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Good move. Except for socal and the desert SW, residential solar is stupid. It needs massive subisides, particularly net metering, to be competitive. It will improve and get cheaper and then utilities can do large scale solar farms to manage it properly. But mainly the longer we delay the changeover the fewer Chinese panels we will have in our landfills in 20-30 years.


4 posted on 01/23/2018 7:20:49 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

This seems excellent, since solar panels are a totally optional purchase.


5 posted on 01/23/2018 7:22:03 PM PST by GnuThere
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

A tariff is a tax but not a tax on the exporter but the consumer.

Tariffs cost jobs they don’t save them.

This is strictly a retaliatory tariff. It is a political decision one which cannot be defended from a good economics point of view.

It is a tax and its defenders should understand that.


6 posted on 01/23/2018 7:32:29 PM PST by arrogantsob (Check out "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Sounds like an opportunity to me. Maybe not for all the Lesbian Psych PhD's out there, but for young enterprising engineers and business folks.

If there's a demand for a product, let Americans fill the need. We used to be great at that sort of thing... and will be again.

7 posted on 01/23/2018 7:33:35 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: palmer

Those huge solar collectors out in the boonies fry lots of birds. Environmentalists are idiots.


8 posted on 01/23/2018 7:34:45 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. ~ Hosea 8:7)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Looks like the government taxing US consumers to bail out a couple of bankrupt companies.

Notice that there’s no claim that the foreign producers are doing anything unfair or illegal.


9 posted on 01/23/2018 7:35:03 PM PST by semimojo
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>>Environmentalists are idiots.<<

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Succinct and to the point.


10 posted on 01/23/2018 7:37:55 PM PST by Disestablishmentarian
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To: arrogantsob

Agreed. See Bush’s 2002/3 Steel tariff..............


11 posted on 01/23/2018 7:43:55 PM PST by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: semimojo

>>>Looks like the government taxing US consumers to bail out a couple of bankrupt companies.

And the beneficiaries will be the Wall Street firms that lent money to these firms and are now trying to arrange a sale. My guess is the sales price just sent up.


12 posted on 01/23/2018 7:50:22 PM PST by oincobx
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

It didn’t take the washing machine companies long to respond to the tariffs. One of them is building a factory as fast as it can, and the other started churning out washing machines in South Carolina about a week and a half ago, with a goal of a million machines by the end of the year.

And it’s all Trump’s fault. If Bush III or Clinton II had gotten elected, those jobs would still be in Asia.


13 posted on 01/23/2018 7:51:00 PM PST by PAR35
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To: arrogantsob

Tariffs are a penalty, just as taxes are.

Tariffs help migrate the consumer from a decision to buy Chinese to a decision to buy American.

Tariffs can indeed create massive numbers of jobs. This country was built, through all its formidable years, on a federal tariff that funded as much as 95% of the entire federal budget.

Get your facts straight, SOB.


14 posted on 01/23/2018 8:21:59 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.n)
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To: semimojo
I’m curious. How would you have responded if these same products from China were banned? Would you still say the US was “taxing its citizens?”

Also, it would appear that only those US citizens who decided to continue to buy those tariffed goods would be the ones laying the tax—not ‘all.’ I assume you are for voluntary taxes, as choosing to buy a foreign tariffed good is a personal choice no one must make.

15 posted on 01/23/2018 8:33:36 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.n)
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To: semimojo
By the way, buying a lotto ticket is the very same type of voluntary tax as is buying a tariffed good.

I’m for letting the consumer decide if the tariff (or tax) is worth the good. Why aren’t you?

16 posted on 01/23/2018 8:36:55 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.n)
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“A tariff is a tax but not a tax on the exporter but the consumer.

Tariffs cost jobs they don’t save them.”

You can seriously say that after China's recent meteoric rise based on tariffs and subsidies to capture our industries? Really?

Looking at our own country, how in the hell did an former British colony with an agrarian economy that fought a revolution for the right to have their own manufacturing, that imposed tariffs for most of its history become the world's greatest manufacturing powerhouse and a superpower?

Just because you say it over and over doesn't make it true. Ten to one you voted for Low Energy Jeb.

17 posted on 01/23/2018 8:41:47 PM PST by WMarshal (John McCain is the turd in America's punch bowl. McLame cannot even fake an injury.)
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“This country was built, through all its formidable years, on a federal tariff that funded as much as 95% of the entire federal budget.”

Few people know that the government was funded that way. Very few, thanks!


18 posted on 01/23/2018 8:48:24 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: LukeL

You aren’t lying! My utility in Fairbanks Alaska, is going to build a solar farm. It is almost 100% funded by government grants. It’s sickening.
Solar power. Fairbanks Alaska. What a waste!


19 posted on 01/23/2018 9:08:34 PM PST by vpintheak (Freedom is not equality; and equality is not freedom!)
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To: LukeL

Our utility, every year, puts out a list of its power sources. Even with all the wind turbines littering the surrounding mountains, etc. and the solar panel arrays, this accounts for less that 1% of the power the utility has available.


20 posted on 01/23/2018 9:11:14 PM PST by Parmy
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