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The Rise of Untraceable "Ghost Guns"
WSJ via MSN ^ | 1/7/2018 | Zusha Elinson

Posted on 01/07/2018 9:41:41 AM PST by T-Bird45

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To: precisionshootist

LOL!

Now that is a good one...


41 posted on 01/07/2018 2:20:17 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: T-Bird45

It’s already illegal for one person or group to make them with an intent to sell them. Making more than a very few of them without serial numbers will get attention and an investigation.

Making one or a very few of them with no original intent to sell them is said to be legal, and that’s of no use to criminals or antagonistic foreign interests. So making another law against making your own weapon with or without a serial number won’t be of any help to law and order.

Here’s what’s happening in practicality. Generally, criminals aren’t technically inclined. They’re lazy minded and uneducated. But if it becomes too easy or attractive for *many* of them to make many weapons, they’ll produce them for evil purposes and make trouble for everyone. So at least make it a challenge for the technically inclined and keep it that way.


42 posted on 01/07/2018 2:31:44 PM PST by familyop ("...you're the son of a thousand fathers..." -Tuco, "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly")
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To: T-Bird45
Ghost guns have been in the spotlight since a Northern California man, who was prohibited from possessing firearms because of a restraining order, killed five people in a November rampage using semiautomatic rifles that he made himself, police say. Other gunmen have employed the weapons as well. In 2016, a Baltimore man fired at police with a homemade AR-15, and Santa Monica shooter John Zawahri used a ghost gun in his shooting spree that killed five in 2013.

Apparently "ghost guns" don't help you get away with a crime any better than factory-made guns or all of these guys would have gotten away and no one would know their names.

43 posted on 01/07/2018 3:08:53 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: yadent

I want a piece of metal that identifies itself as a AR15 lower


44 posted on 01/07/2018 3:14:50 PM PST by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: This_Dude

OK, I thought they always rattled. Never shot one myself. Besides, I was talking about DIY forged (literally) parts to make one piece at a time, or a few, not machine manufactured weapons. But some of these shops are big, with master craftsmen who can turn out terrific AKs or whatever, they just have to have an example to start with. I’m talking Kabul and sh!te, right?


45 posted on 01/07/2018 3:34:00 PM PST by ichabod1 (People don't want to believe it be what it be but it is.)
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To: umgud

I’m not familiar with building your own AR, but your comment leads me to ask this...

The stripped lower receiver has, I think, a number on it... correct?

This seems to make it not a ghost gun. Are their lower receivers that do not have numbers?


46 posted on 01/07/2018 6:20:03 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

You can buy a jig setup and a blank aluminum billet and machine your own. In CA this year, you will have to apply for an SN# for it.


47 posted on 01/07/2018 6:42:27 PM PST by umgud
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

FYI, these are 80% lowers. Here’s a 2015 question answer:

While it is 100% legal to complete and build your own AR 15 on an 80% lower receiver without any type of serialization or registration, one should be aware of a few facts. First, your firearm cannot be traced in the event it is lost or stolen.Jun 4, 2015

And remember in CA this year you will have to apply for a number.


48 posted on 01/07/2018 6:46:59 PM PST by umgud
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To: vette6387

I’ve always wondered, if I live in Texas or Florida, and legally buy guns, then move to California, or New York, etc. I have to sell them now?


49 posted on 01/07/2018 7:02:06 PM PST by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found hard and not tried')
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To: umgud

Thanks FRamigo.


50 posted on 01/07/2018 7:09:11 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ro_dreaming

Sell you pieces...perhaps.
IT’S a scary thought.
Magazine capacity...
‘Assault weapons’...
Ammo....

Who knows what hoops You will
Be forced thru to Keep your equipment.


51 posted on 01/07/2018 7:18:13 PM PST by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: T-Bird45

Guns are rather simple devices, after all.....always wondered if it occurred to the gun grabbers that people would just make them if they couldn’t buy them.


52 posted on 01/07/2018 7:51:04 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

What is to stop a person from taking one of these receivers and putting any random number on it? Maybe built twenty,all with the same number.


53 posted on 01/08/2018 12:42:12 AM PST by snowtigger (Deplorable, and proud of it!!)
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To: dsc

I would imagine his conscience is just fine.

I would also imagine he’s going to have some problems in the next life, though.


54 posted on 01/08/2018 7:12:26 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
So, how, exactly, does this magical traceability help solve capital crimes? I just did some google searches on this and found no data — just some articles on how crime labs can theoretically trace guns to solve crime.

The only way it can maybe solve a crime is if the original (dealer purchaser) owner leaves it at the crime scene, and doesn't have a good poker face.
55 posted on 01/12/2018 6:59:29 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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