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The Time Has Come: Higher Ed-a-geddon
americanthinker.com ^ | Robert Oscar Lopez

Posted on 12/11/2017 3:06:20 AM PST by RoosterRedux

My plan involves a sixfold apocalypse. Yes, apocalypse.

The best starting point is total depravity. Higher education as we know it is indefensible. It presumes a false model of human development. People between the ages of eighteen and twenty-two cannot be trusted moving to a campus away from their parents, protected from any real consequences for stupid decisions, and taught random concepts by a professoriate anesthetized by the tenure system.

In reality, these four years of human development should be spent in conditions closer to basic combat training: they need physical regimentation. Swift punishments must impress upon them the costs of behaving foolishly. Their sexuality needs to be heavily circumscribed. Between eighteen and twenty-two, women need to be closely protected from rape. Men need guidance to transform themselves from impulsive sex maniacs into responsible providers and decent fathers.

The wasteful use of young adulthood for 40% of the American adult population is catastrophic. Overpriced tuitions force a large chunk of family savings into an inefficient economic sector ("higher education"), meaning that their money cannot go into productive industries. Youths are not being trained for citizenship. Instead of courting, marrying, and starting families in their prime, they accustom themselves to promiscuity, irresponsible thrills, and single lives burdened with debt. They have late – and few – children, whom they are ill equipped to raise.

In certain contexts, it is wise to burn the edges of a dry forest rather than let a wildfire rage at a time and in a manner out of our control. I suggest the following concrete steps, via congressional action.

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1 posted on 12/11/2017 3:06:20 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Very interesting article.


2 posted on 12/11/2017 3:20:22 AM PST by Tax-chick ("ItÂ’s not like a productive member of society would have been lost." ~ PAR35)
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To: RoosterRedux

Under what moral authority. Society no longer recognizes a Christian moral base.


3 posted on 12/11/2017 3:26:50 AM PST by samtheman (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: RoosterRedux

You can come up with all sorts of 6 point, 10 point , 153 point plans, whatever, but the underlying problem is someone else’s money spent on someone else. It should be obvious to the casual observer by now that the more government money spent on education the worse it’s getting! The solution is simple: get government out of the education business. Seperation of School and State is an idea whose time has come!


4 posted on 12/11/2017 3:27:25 AM PST by Nateman (The louder the left screams , the better it is for America!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Interesting article.

End their tax breaks.


5 posted on 12/11/2017 3:30:12 AM PST by stockpirate (REPRESSION BREEDS VIOLENCE)
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To: Nateman
It should be obvious to the casual observer by now that the more government money spent on education the worse it’s getting!

It's not the government (mainly), it's the false fixed belief, held by almost everyone, that "education" is something that's done TO you, like getting a shot of penicillin, rather than something that YOU DO.

You can train small children, and you probably should, to read, write, and do sums.

But after grade six, and certainly after grade 8, there are doers and non-doers.

Our "system" is essentially a prison-like nationwide enterprise to manage the non-doers, hoping something good happens.

It's like a cargo cult.

My first roommate in medical school dropped out after it became clear that he lacked sufficient reading skill to get past the first two weeks. Think about that.

The people who gave him an elementary school certificate, a high school diploma, a university degree (with honors) and sent him off with a party to celebrate a new future doctor were like cargo cultists in the Solomon Islands after WW II, building control towers in the belief that the airplanes full of goods would return.

It's not about diplomas and degrees. It's about what smart and focused individuals can accomplish under the right circumstances.

There are great schools that produce well-educated men in Quonset huts in Africa, just with a teacher and a few books and writing tablets. But those schools do not aspire to educate the unable and the unwilling.

75% of high school students don't belong there. 90% of college students don't belong there.

Fix that, the rest will quickly fall into place. Don't fix it, and it does not matter who pays for school or how, the result will remain what we have now.

6 posted on 12/11/2017 3:41:50 AM PST by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: Tax-chick
A true and better apocalypse is to eliminate the public education system altogether, beginning with K-12.

By the time a child is seven or eight, a LOT of personality characteristics are established.

EVERY pedagogist know and understands how etched in stone early childhood "education" and programming is.

Every parent that discovers a wrong in their child knows and understands their IMMEDIATE response to that element .. (No, you can't play with ____________ anymore)


Americans have been fed a lie about public school. It is not education but indoctrination .... socialist indoctrination.

7 posted on 12/11/2017 3:45:37 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true)
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My main point of disagreement with the author was his belief that the college system will collapse on its own, absent a societal cataclysm. I think it is more likely that, just like the K-12 system, it will continue just as it is, consuming ever more resources and facilitating less education.

When you have a huge system like “education” or “health care,” it’s easy to theorize about how better results could be achieved. However, it’s nearly impossible to move from “what we have now” to “something totally different.”


8 posted on 12/11/2017 3:54:29 AM PST by Tax-chick ("ItÂ’s not like a productive member of society would have been lost." ~ PAR35)
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To: RoosterRedux

Man! Did this article hit on all 8 cylinders! As a young person in the early 60’s I was wild and crazy but I did obey the law. My only vice back then was drinking alchol and acting crazy. Went into the Air Force at age 19 and came out as a responsible adult.

Today’s young people look like they stepped right out of Gorge Orwell’s 1984 book. Worse yet, they are programmed robots as they enter/leave college and have lost the ability to think independently.


9 posted on 12/11/2017 3:57:29 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Jim Noble

“My first roommate in medical school dropped out after it became clear that he lacked sufficient reading skill to get past the first two weeks. Think about that.”

So how did he do on the MCAT? How did he get in?


10 posted on 12/11/2017 4:06:26 AM PST by neverevergiveup
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To: RoosterRedux

I believe the testimony here is scripted, but nevertheless illustrates the depths of ignorance to which a majority of the culture has sunk:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tFUKsthR-Ts


11 posted on 12/11/2017 4:09:59 AM PST by samtheman (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I believe the solution to the “higher education” ripoff is to switch to a system of certifications, in all subjects, modeled on such systems in the computer and networking fields.


12 posted on 12/11/2017 4:12:42 AM PST by samtheman (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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That’s not a bad idea. In some industries it makes a lot of sense for a person’s competency to be tested through the industry, not a system of “higher education” that may have become completely disconnected from employers over time.


13 posted on 12/11/2017 4:17:46 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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To: samtheman

Yes!

There used to be bank school, IBM school, law school where you read for the law under a practitioner. Nursing school, etc.

Schools that taught you the aspects of your chosen field. Not degreed programs that didn’t focus on the knowledge base.


14 posted on 12/11/2017 4:18:16 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: Jim Noble
It's not the government (mainly), it's the false fixed belief, held by almost everyone, that "education" is something that's done TO you, like getting a shot of penicillin, rather than something that YOU DO.

A very good point.

15 posted on 12/11/2017 4:21:36 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Tax-chick

TC

Gimmie 10 minutes in DC with the Dept of Education. A big room, a mike, and bulletproof glass.

Gone...all of them!


16 posted on 12/11/2017 4:21:46 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: neverevergiveup
So how did he do on the MCAT? How did he get in?

From kindergarten through college he crossed every T and dotted every i, made no waves, completed his assignments on time and kept out of trouble. Then, when he got into a situation where those things weren't enough, he suffered.

17 posted on 12/11/2017 4:26:03 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Tax-chick
What do you say when you talk to yourself ?

We're using the wrong words when we think.

I don't want to "move" from one place to another.

I want to stop right here.


If society just dropped out and nullified the public school system, the void would be filled with something else because nature abhors a vacuum.

If society ever GOT to that place, society would have already a replacement for public school.

Probably a couple of local teachers for each neighborhood or community.

The trick is getting everyone to think on the same plane and that requires a common language which, BTW, is not LOL LMFAO, BRB

Personally, the first step is to get public education properly identified as socialist indoctrination.

Once the general population gets THAT, the conversation will begin.

18 posted on 12/11/2017 4:28:22 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true)
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To: neverevergiveup

The details of his background are not important to my main point and I’ve chosen not to discuss them - how he got in is a separate issue.

The point is, you can’t take non-doers and convert them into doers by awarding credentials.

Medical school was, and to a degree still is, a place where people who shouldn’t be there (at least academically) don’t graduate. The situation with personality and fitness for the work as markers of ability to graduate has, sadly, deteriorated.


19 posted on 12/11/2017 4:29:25 AM PST by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: Chickensoup

That sounds like something I’d watch on pay-per-view.


20 posted on 12/11/2017 4:30:48 AM PST by Tax-chick ("ItÂ’s not like a productive member of society would have been lost." ~ PAR35)
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