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Ex-Arizona cop acquitted in fatal shooting of sobbing, unarmed man at hotel
chicagotribune.com ^ | 12-08-2017 | Jacques Billeaud

Posted on 12/08/2017 10:30:14 AM PST by boycott

former Arizona police officer was acquitted Thursday of a murder charge in the 2016 fatal shooting of an unarmed man outside his hotel room as officers were responding to a call that someone there was pointing a gun out a window.

The verdict cleared Philip Mitchell Brailsford, 27, of criminal liability in the 2016 death of Daniel Shaver of Granbury, Texas.

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KEYWORDS: accquitted; arizona; banglist; danielshaver; donutwatch; murder; philipbrailsford; police; shooting
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To: Robert DeLong

“Who is the guilty party of criminal negligence?“

I’d start with the ***hole who tossed an incendiary device into an occupied dwelling place and work my way up from there.

L


101 posted on 12/08/2017 6:46:01 PM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: Robert DeLong

SWAT should be strictly limited by law to hostage rescue and active shooter situations only. Any other use should be forbidden by law.

L


102 posted on 12/08/2017 6:58:16 PM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: Robert DeLong

So, according to your authoritarian mindset, better safe than sorry is perfectly OK reasoning for killing an innocent man, if you’re a police officer. Do you grasp the purpose of citizenry agreeing to implement and fund a police force in the first place? Is it to have armed paramilitary running around barking orders and killing people just because they happened to be near a crime scene, or in this instance because some fool didn’t know what he or she was seeing, while looking into the window of a private hotel room? You’re perfectly OK with this man being dead because he conceivably could have appeared to be doing something that he could not possibly have done. You deserve to live under that sort of war zone mentality for a while, trouble with that is, I’d be subjected to it too and that’s where we’re headed. By the time it gets through your head as to just what the problem might be, it will be too late. The police serve the public. The public are not subjects of the police. Yes it’s a dangerous job, always has been. Would this man have been shot to death twenty, thirty years ago for the same actions, though? No, I don’t believe so. Something is very wrong.


103 posted on 12/08/2017 7:08:59 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: NYAmerican

That’s nonsense. I look at every case differently. I don’t always agree with everyone else. That’s just the way I am.

This police officer crossed the line. There are others that have expressed how this could have been better handled. No way did that man deserve to be killed.

I believe most police are good people that try to do a good job. Most wouldn’t want to ever have to shoot someone. This clown was a nutcase.


104 posted on 12/08/2017 8:42:17 PM PST by boycott
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To: Mr Rogers

Well said.


105 posted on 12/08/2017 9:15:12 PM PST by boycott
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To: wardaddy

Agree ...

Long long time ago here at FR we discussed a cali cop that was in a residential area with an M60 mounted on a surplus USAF peacekeeper (cadillac gage) acting all wannabe. That was mid-90’s I believe. It was bad then and bad now ...... I still live in a region where my local LEO’S are just as you described .... old school. Simple, pro-active, intelligent and all about community. I could monday morning quarterback every shooting and find both faulty and favorable decisions that would define both a bad shoot and a good shoot.

Only thing I personally would have done different was to prone out the suspect, face away from me, palms up, ankles crossed as I waited for backup. No need for the suspect to come towards me if I couldn’t cuff him and cover the hallway at the same time ..... my opinion, experience. Hope yer well Bub.

Stay Safe !


106 posted on 12/09/2017 12:44:40 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: FreeFromWhat

since when did cops get the okay to have multiple tattoos?...


107 posted on 12/09/2017 12:46:58 AM PST by cherry
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To: NYAmerican
nothing of the sort happened in the video...the guy was yelled at with many different commands, and his pants were falling off....so he got killed for it....

like someone said, if cops are this trigger happy over ordinary things we are in big big trouble...cops are to be feared...

108 posted on 12/09/2017 12:57:21 AM PST by cherry
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To: antidisestablishment
anecdotally, cops in my area never face consequences....ever...

oh,there's an "investigation" but there is always these "mitigating" factors...

they seem to go after a lot of drunk or drugged people or people in distress...easy kills...

I support law enforcement but its getting harder and harder to do it......

109 posted on 12/09/2017 1:03:05 AM PST by cherry
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To: Lurker
I’d start with the ***hole who tossed an incendiary device into an occupied dwelling place and work my way up from there.

By all means then you must become a policeman and work your way up to SWAT. Then you can show everyone just how to operate. At least for a couple of weeks until you run into a really dangerous situation, or the public demands your head for allowing the criminal element to go unheeded and allowed to keep in operation.

110 posted on 12/09/2017 1:38:22 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Lurker
>b>Any other use should be forbidden by law.

So all criminal elements should be allowed to operate with impunity. Got it.

111 posted on 12/09/2017 1:39:44 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: semaj

I think his point is BLM and media would care were the dead kid black

26 is a kid to me. Cop is a kid too btw


112 posted on 12/09/2017 1:42:54 AM PST by wardaddy (As a southerner I've never trusted the Grand Old Party.....any questions?)
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To: deks

Nor were they allowed to see the shooting video

Which is absolutely ridiculous


113 posted on 12/09/2017 1:44:42 AM PST by wardaddy (As a southerner I've never trusted the Grand Old Party.....any questions?)
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To: rdcbn

I know quite a few under 40 cops

Gungo ho and frankly looking to tag and bag

I blame vids

No fooling


114 posted on 12/09/2017 1:46:19 AM PST by wardaddy (As a southerner I've never trusted the Grand Old Party.....any questions?)
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To: boycott

A scared man will shoot you quick


115 posted on 12/09/2017 1:47:38 AM PST by wardaddy (As a southerner I've never trusted the Grand Old Party.....any questions?)
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To: Robert DeLong; Lurker

This is a professional SWAT team in action. They did kill the guy. Fired over 70 rounds and managed to put bullets into FIVE homes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP0f00_JMak&feature=youtu.be

“Asleep after returning from a 12-hour overnight shift at the ASARCO Mission mine, Guerena was awakened about 9:30 am by his wife who heard noises outside their house, later identified as flash/bang grenades deployed by police in the back yard as a diversion. He instructed his wife and 4-year-old son to hide inside a closet while he grabbed his AR-15 rifle and crouched down preparing to defend himself from the unidentified people breaking and entering into his home.

The Sheriff’s Department initially claimed that Guerena had fired on officers; at least three of the SWAT members including the team commander reported in their post-operation debriefings that they had observed muzzle flashes aimed at them from inside the house. After an examination of the rifle Guerena allegedly pointed at the officers however, it was determined that the rifle had not been fired; the safety was still engaged...

...Guerena’s wife called 911 to request medical assistance for her husband shortly after the shooting. Paramedics, however, were instructed to hold back. Guerena was denied attention, for about one hour, until the team declared the “area secured”. Ambulance crews were then notified they were no longer needed, one hour and fourteen minutes after Guerena’s wife’s call to 911....

...In September 2013, Pima County, the towns of Sahuarita, Marana, and Oro Valley, approved a combined settlement of $3.4 million to Guerena’s widow”

Wiki


116 posted on 12/09/2017 1:54:09 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Yes it’s a dangerous job, always has been.

No, there have always been varying degrees of danger associated with the job, but it has gotten far more dangerous than it has been since prohibition times.

So, according to your authoritarian mindset, better safe than sorry is perfectly OK reasoning for killing an innocent man, if you’re a police officer.

No, I am saying that you & I stand with knowledge that this particular person was not dangerous, a luxury that police officer did not possess at that moment where he had a split second to react to actions being taken by a person whose intent was unknown.

Do you grasp the purpose of citizenry agreeing to implement and fund a police force in the first place?

Of course to make it safe for people to walk around freely in society. A task that is becoming increasingly harder everyday. A task where your every action is second guessed by the masses. Some who will agree with the action & some who will not. It is inevitable that sometimes mistakes will be made carrying out that task. In this instance the mistake was the result of the action made by the unfortunate fool trying to keep his shorts from ending up around his ankles. Now if you can prove to me that this police officer was delighted that this fool made that mistake & he was more than happy about the results of that, then I think the police officer should be held accountable.

We can debate this point from here to eternity, however, I believe the correct process was followed. That being he went before a grand jury where he received an indictment, and his case was heard by a jury. That jury found the evidence compelling enough to acquit him, rightly or wrongly.

Until we can devise a foolproof system, then it is the system we currently have in place. Don't like the current system? Then come up with a new system and then sell it to society. Personally I believe that task to be an impossibility, as man himself being an imperfect creature could never develop a perfect system himself.

117 posted on 12/09/2017 2:09:54 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Mr Rogers; Lurker
Yep, an imperfect system where horror stories occur, while on the obverse side dangerous criminals are removed from society.

Come up with a better one where the horror stories can be eliminated or at least significantly reduced, and just the dangerous criminals are brought to justice. I'm sure the police will embrace it, as will society. I personally think it is a pipe dream that is unattainable.

Just so you know, I disagreed with the the way the police implemented this SWAT process. Definitely a perfect case study in how not to do their job. Nor am I even saying that I agreed with the process of the case with the ex Arizona officer. Just that I don't think the ex Arizona officer is an outright murderer. The system carried itself out and a not guilty verdict was returned by the jury that heard the case.

118 posted on 12/09/2017 2:42:57 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

“So all criminal elements should be allowed to operate with impunity. Got it.”

So you are stupid.

Conversation over.

Merry Christmas.

L


119 posted on 12/09/2017 4:41:28 AM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: MeganC

Something they probably didn’t know while hurriedly advancing on his room.


120 posted on 12/09/2017 5:28:57 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Liberals have become moralistic, dogmatic, sententious, self-righteous, pinch-faced prudes.)
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