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Biblical Series I: Introduction to the Idea of God (video)
youtube.com ^ | Jordan B Peterson

Posted on 11/21/2017 2:02:24 PM PST by RoosterRedux

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I am in the middle of this video but am sure that youse guys will find it fascinating.

So far, I would say this is right up there with Julian Jaynes and his The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.

It is different than Jaynes work but it is nonetheless groundbreaking.


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To: Safrguns
A guy who doesn't believe in God can still give a testimony to those who seek Him...if only by his error.

If you don't have the humility to accept that...then please just ignore my posts from here on out.

21 posted on 11/21/2017 4:17:10 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

>>> This guy is fighting postmodern thought...and Liberalism...and political correctness. Do you have a problem with that?

Nobody can fight that stuff without God... sorry.

However, I don’t stand against him or for him.

I’m Looking for some insight to his perspective that can help me help him, or to help others not to be deceived by him.

As long as he is asking good questions, there is hope.


22 posted on 11/21/2017 4:19:26 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: RoosterRedux

>>> A guy who doesn’t believe in God can still give a testimony to those who seek Him...if only by his error.

I think what you just said was...

“God uses ALL things for good.”

Therefore, I would agree.


23 posted on 11/21/2017 4:21:43 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns
Then perhaps you would just go away, your thickness.

No need for you on my posts.

Just go away...please.

24 posted on 11/21/2017 4:26:03 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

I agree with you on a point and you want me to go away???

weird


25 posted on 11/21/2017 4:29:38 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

After all ur whining and beatching, you think I’m weird?


26 posted on 11/21/2017 4:31:51 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

>>> After all ur whining and beatching, you think I’m weird?

Whining?? beatching???

I’m trying to figure this guy out.

Now i’m trying to figure you out....

It’s weird you would take offense from me agreeing with your point.


27 posted on 11/21/2017 4:36:14 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: RoosterRedux

>>> BTW, I am a devout Christian. Evangelical I guess. Devout. (from post #8)

See... now you have me confused on what you believe.

I don’t see how you can believe this guy has the answers after saying what you did about yourself.

I’m listening to this guy to try and figure out what he DOES believe... and so far, it’s like trying to nail jello to the wall.

Example: He says he believes in Hell, but in the same breath follows up with “but my definition of hell is most likely different than yours”.


28 posted on 11/21/2017 4:42:56 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

I watched the first forty minutes, enjoying his speaking style. He didn’t seem to be going anywhere, so I fast forwarded an hour. Heh. It was like I had never fast forwarded at all, as he was saying the same thing with the same words from an hour ago. After watching a little more, I realized he wasn’t going to get into anything of interest and that this lecture was preamble.

So I went to the Part II of the series and watched for ten minutes until my eyes glazed over.

The OP mentions ‘Origin of Consciousness..” which is one of my favorite books ever. Maybe I was expecting some original thinking like was in the Origin book, and this fellow was not measuring up. He admits he is operating at the edge of his cognizance without ‘making it up as I go along,’ but tells us he’s learning as he goes. Maybe when he figures out what he thinks he’s learned, he can chop his lectures down into confident, sure-footed expositions that require a whole lot fewer words, qualifications and repetition. That would be good.


29 posted on 11/21/2017 4:53:19 PM PST by sparklite2 (-)
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To: sparklite2

>>> Maybe when he figures out what he thinks he’s learned, he can chop his lectures down into confident, sure-footed expositions that require a whole lot fewer words, qualifications and repetition. That would be good.

Oh... try the link I posted above in #15.

he gets right to it there... but then again he doesn’t.


30 posted on 11/21/2017 5:00:03 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

I see a man who is trying to be as honest as he can; he makes it very clear that he does not know if the resurrection of the body of Christ is real or not. Nevertheless he is searching, trying to figure out what he believes and why he believes it. I find his search for Truth to be fascinating, but Peterson is not for everyone.


31 posted on 11/21/2017 5:21:24 PM PST by JGT
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To: RoosterRedux

I remember reading Jaynes when the book first came out. I didn’t buy-into all of it at the time, but it has remained with me, and become an influence upon what I believe.

I have never had any problem reconciling God, First Cause, with a concept of evolution - and I’ve never understood why others do.

It makes sense to me that at some point, Man - as Man - was ‘inserted’ into the animal, when the animal was ready to receive the “spark”, according to God’s plan.

Sometimes people who call themselves ‘atheist’ are just not able to accept organized religion and all of the mess in much of it.

It doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t accept a concept of God, if it were presented to them in a different, less dogmatic form.


32 posted on 11/21/2017 6:37:08 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: JGT

>>> I see a man who is trying to be as honest as he can; he makes it very clear that he does not know if the resurrection of the body of Christ is real or not.

I have heard enough from him to conclude that he limits his sphere of possibilities to that which fits within an atheist’s perspective.

When asked simply if he believes that God exists, he refuses to answer, responding that he doesn’t like to be boxed in by what that entails or even means.

Someone who does not know, but is searching for evidence one way or another would simply say I don’t know. For that reason, I would say that an atheist (who says I don’t know) is being more honest than he is.

I suspect (not saying I know) that his use of obvious questions which illustrate the mysteries of our existence are intended solely to give the impression that he is actually seeking for an answer.


33 posted on 11/21/2017 7:09:57 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Jamestown1630

>>> It makes sense to me that at some point, Man - as Man - was ‘inserted’ into the animal, when the animal was ready to receive the “spark”, according to God’s plan.

There are many things that do NOT make sense to anyone which God has clearly stated as truth in His Word.

Point being is that truth does not have to make sense to us in order for it to be reality.

There is no biblical basis whatsoever in the bible supporting any form of evolution.

True science itself disproves evolution.

If we evolved from lower forms of animals, we would be able to interbreed with them.


34 posted on 11/21/2017 8:02:44 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

My apologies if I’ve offended your personal beliefs; but things DO have to make ‘sense’ to me.

I think that God gave me a brain and attendant mentality for a reason, just as he gave me another sense through which I believe in Him regardless of man’s current materialistically-bent science.

An old and very interesting book:

The Lost Light, Alvin Boyd Kuhn

https://archive.org/details/lostlightaninter029017mbp


35 posted on 11/21/2017 8:19:06 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: RoosterRedux

Bkmk


36 posted on 11/21/2017 8:41:51 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Jamestown1630

>>> My apologies if I’ve offended your personal beliefs

Not sure why you said this.
I really don’t offend easily... even when that is what is intended.

>>> but things DO have to make ‘sense’ to me.

If things have to make sense to you in order for them to be true, then logically you must be on equal footing with God when it comes to knowledge.

Likewise, if the only things which are true must be understandable by men, then God is a man.

God gave us the ability to reason so that we could “test all things” as He commanded.

He makes it very clear in His Word that the flesh of man and of birds and of animals is “different” flesh.


37 posted on 11/21/2017 9:11:03 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

I think we may disagree somewhat.

I think that the point of our sojourn on Earth is to set us upon the path of learning what God knows, through experience which leads to the ultimate wisdom of Love.

He loves us - His Sons - to the extent that He wants to bring us up into His understanding and realm - as any father would want for his child. But He understood that we would need a ‘school’.

I don’t think that God really cares which ‘scripture’ or ‘organization’ we follow - whether we go to church on Sunday - shul on Saturday - or even if we are frail, and sin now and then -

as long as we find our way to Him, and to His way of Love.

(Jesus was pretty clear about Love for God and fellow man: “law and prophets”, and all of that. These are more important than pedantry.)


38 posted on 11/21/2017 9:56:21 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Safrguns
I don’t see how you can believe this guy has the answers after saying what you did about yourself.

I don't necessarily buy in to what he says but I find what he says very thought provoking...particularly the parts on psychoanalysis and psychology.

As said, I haven't finished the video yet, so I might find myself at odds with him by the time I'm done.

Have a great Thanksgiving.

39 posted on 11/22/2017 7:23:18 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Rooster!

1. Other things can help with understanding the Word. Therefore, working through this series and some of Dr. Peterson’s other videos.

2. His material stretches and challenges in big ways, including just actually considering what the text itself says (Anon, avert your eyes if need be, but consider the reaction if you came to all the adult man in your clan, and told them that God just said that you are to circumcise them, and so you are personally going to do so . . .).

3. He titled these lectures as the “Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories.” So it would be off to evaluate them as something other than the application of psychology to scripture, and particularly to evaluate them only as to whether they are orthodox/bible-believing sermons. While it’s an interesting question as to how much he ducks revealing his true beliefs, that question seems unseemly unless one is as engaged in the sort of very public and dangerous battles that he is.

3. He grounds some of what he’s says in a multi-million year evolutionary view. While that’s not for everyone, who knew that rats laugh? Or that lobsters have a dominance hierarchy involving serotonin? Not me.

4. In any event, he is firmly on the side of western civilization:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9JNMgsazc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI_tyAduoJo

Peace, and out for now.


40 posted on 11/23/2017 2:01:35 AM PST by TomMore
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