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GOP to Repeal Johnson Amendment's Muzzle on Pastors Through Tax Reform
CBN News ^ | Nov 2, 2017 | Abigail Robertson

Posted on 11/02/2017 3:42:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

House Republicans have finally unveiled their new tax reform bill. Despite some delays, Republican leadership insists they are still on schedule to have the bill on President Trump's desk by the end of the year.

"Our goal in the House is to get this bill out of the House, passed on the floor by Thanksgiving," House Republican Conference Chair Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers told CBN News.

The hold-up centered on a proposal to end the federal income deduction for state and local taxes utilized by high tax states like New York and California. GOP lawmakers in those states are hesitant to support a plan that fails to preserve that deduction.

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Another score Republicans hope to make through the tax bill: repealing the Johnson Amendment.

"I'm excited about the Johnson Amendment being put in there that will address the rights of churches and nonprofits to be able to speak without losing their tax exempt status," Rep. Jody Hice, R-Ga., tells CBN News.

Hice says GOP leaders and President Trump are united in wanting to end the law and seeing the tax plan move forward.

"I think we're going to see the economic engine of America boom if we're able to get this over the finish line," Hice said.

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"It's going to be a tax simplification, only three or four levels of income, you're going to literally, 80% of the American people are going to be able to fill out their income taxes on the back of a postcard," says Smith.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: freespeech; johnson; johnsonamendment; religiousfreedom; taxes; taxreform; trump
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To: Tzimisce; BruceS
"They can’t tax us to exercise our freedoms."

Agreed. But that is not the case here.

Individual citizens are not losing any rights. Regardless, I'm against all this nonsense. The constitutionally and morally correct fix is to just not have non-tax organizations at all.

Tax policy should be as wide and as objective as possible.

I've never understood why anybody on our side of the aisle thinks it is good that some folks are sheltered from taxes. That is progressive thinking.

Progressively bad. It's brought us to a point of half the individuals not paying any net fed income tax, more and more questionably beneficial organizations avoiding tax, etc.

Friend, foe, rich, poor, good, bad or ugly. We should want them ALL paying taxes. Otherwise, we will never get spending down. Because people who don't pay don't care. People who pay do care about tax rates.

We all seem to agree that the preachers should be freed to politic from the pulpit.

I also want them angry about tax rates when they are unleashed.

21 posted on 11/02/2017 5:21:15 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: dynachrome

black churches were all about politics,l and where a black pastor would preach his politics while raking in a lot of money for himself.


22 posted on 11/02/2017 5:29:23 PM PDT by manc ( If they want so called marriage equality then they should support polygamy too.)
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To: BuddhaBrown

Wonder what your thoughts are on the poll tax.

How about property tests?

We’re not taking people’s rights away.

We’re just going to charge them a small fee for exercising them. :)


23 posted on 11/02/2017 5:33:05 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Jim Robinson

If a church uses donations from its congregation to contribute in some way to a campaign, those donations should be taxed in the same way any other campaign contributions are taxed. But that aside, the Johnson amendment went way beyond that. It threatened churches from completely losing their tax exempt status if they engaged in any sort of political action, even if they didn’t spend a dime to pursue their ends. Total government overreach. And of course, for the most part, the rules were only applied to conservatives.


24 posted on 11/02/2017 5:36:22 PM PDT by mbrfl
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To: Jim Robinson

That should be something entirely separate.

I support something like that, but it should be a separate bill because it’s a separate issue. I hate how they attach riders and whatever else to bills that have nothing to do with the original bill.

Where can I find voting rules and the like? Just what are their procedures?


25 posted on 11/02/2017 6:07:22 PM PDT by wastedyears (US out of the UN, UN out of the US.)
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To: BruceS
The Constitution doesn't guarantee any non-profit or religious institution exemption from taxes.

There's nothing in the Constitution that states the government may regulate speech.

26 posted on 11/02/2017 6:09:12 PM PDT by wastedyears (US out of the UN, UN out of the US.)
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To: BuddhaBrown
Friend, foe, rich, poor, good, bad or ugly. We should want them ALL paying taxes. Otherwise, we will never get spending down.

Many millions more people doesn't mean that congress will decide "Oh, we have more cash on hand, let's reduce spending." No, they'll increase spending, because they have more cash on hand.

Say you have a good job (not decent, good), and you get a generous bonus/a larger than expected refund the next year; would you pocket/invest 100% of it, or would you spend at minimum 5% of it?

That's what congress would do with more cash. They would spend it all like drug addicts.

27 posted on 11/02/2017 6:13:35 PM PDT by wastedyears (US out of the UN, UN out of the US.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Praying to God.....please let this pass if it will give you glory in doing so


28 posted on 11/02/2017 6:44:11 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: wastedyears
"...they'll increase spending..."

I never suggested a higher total revenue for them to spend. I just suggested a broader application of tax law.

Obviously, I don't agree with your assessment anyway.

Requiring more folks/institutions to pay their share of taxes is meant to change the attitude of voters toward more thrifty candidates - not to change the unchangeable nature of sitting politicians.

Today we have the situation you fear - they spend at will now, completely without regard to how much money comes in each year.

And today more than half the population doesn't care because it's not their money. Even worse, they vote to spend more because it's not their money.

29 posted on 11/02/2017 10:33:29 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Johnson Amendment being put in there that will address the rights of churches and nonprofits to be able to speak without losing their tax exempt status

The swamp monsters are scared to have a law that says churches can continue to exibit their God given right to speak their mind and use their 1st amendment rights.

This is how the FIRST real gun shooting cannon firing revolution started.

Let us hope this will help wake the dead beat people in this Nation up that are not paying attention and help us 3% who are listening so that we can take back this country

30 posted on 11/03/2017 4:30:33 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it, but ready to go again)
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To: BruceS

1st Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Congress shall make no law that does any of those things. Because the law in question does that, Congress was forbidden by the 1st amendment from passing it. That’s why it’s unconstitutional.


31 posted on 11/03/2017 4:35:05 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Pilgrim's Progress; dynachrome

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Freedom of speech is always a good thing . . . and pastors being muzzled was never fair - but I hope that they don’t forget that there first duty (main duty) is to preach the gospel.
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Sorry, FRiend, life isn’t ‘fair’. This, on the other hand, is unconstitutional. ‘Fair’ doesn’t even come into the debate.

Gotta start losing the verbiage of the Socialists. You cede the debate before it even begins.


32 posted on 11/03/2017 8:43:24 AM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: i_robot73

I’m not following you . . . are you saying that pastors should spend their 30 minutes or so in the pulpit where God has called them to preach the gospel to using it to lambast politics?

I’m sure I misunderstand that my view is socialist.


33 posted on 11/03/2017 9:45:32 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: i_robot73

Some preachers use their time to read articles from Reader’s Digest. Is that good for you?


34 posted on 11/03/2017 9:46:11 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: Jim Robinson

PDJT promised to end the Johnson Amendment, and it appears he’s keeping still another promise. WINNING!! (Not tired yet.)


35 posted on 11/03/2017 9:51:58 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (A person's greatest strength is his greatest weakness.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Trump and not rat Americans win again.


36 posted on 11/03/2017 10:15:57 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (What, we have here, is a failure to communicate!)
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To: dynachrome

Amen!

“Good. Demo-rat pastors never paid attention to it anyway!

Remember the Clintoons carrying the huge bible to church during the Monica era?

Remember, Obama, Clintoon, Jesse Jackson and others using the pulpits to blast our candidates and nothing being done to them?


37 posted on 11/03/2017 10:18:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (What, we have here, is a failure to communicate!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Good.


38 posted on 11/03/2017 11:04:19 AM PDT by Architect of Avalon
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

Preaching against the murder of babies is the most Christian thing possible.


39 posted on 11/03/2017 11:05:49 AM PDT by Architect of Avalon
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To: Jim Robinson

Why wasn’t this repealed on day one of this administration?

It would have required a single, simple sentence and no expenditure.


40 posted on 11/03/2017 11:06:48 AM PDT by fwdude (Why is it that the only positive things to come out of LGBT organizations are their AIDS tests?)
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