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The death of the gas-powered car, in one chart (Liberal wet dream!)
MarketWatch ^ | 10/17/17 | Claudia Assis

Posted on 10/17/2017 10:52:16 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway

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To: cyclotic

So get a Tesla 3 with a 300+ mile range. You don’t work 24/7, you sleep. Every morning it’s all charged & ready to go ... you never have to “go to the gas/power station”.


101 posted on 10/17/2017 11:35:24 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: mazda77
"every tax paying American subsidizing this thing"

"Government incentives for plug-in hybrid electric vehicles have been established by several national and local governments around the world as a financial incentives to plug-in electric vehicle vehicles to consumers. These mainly include tax exemptions and tax credits, and additional perks that range from access to bus lines to waivers on fees (charging, parking, tolls, etc.)"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_incentives_for_plug-in_electric_vehicles

102 posted on 10/17/2017 11:36:39 AM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything)
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To: wetgundog

“... coal fired powerplants are going to drive the price of a Kilowatt hour up.”

Forget driving the price up (which it will)...we’ll be looking at brownouts!


103 posted on 10/17/2017 11:36:51 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (We need a separation of press and state!)
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To: ridesthemiles

“I invite you to make a trip on I-80 from San Fran to Chicago. See how far you get beteen ‘charging stations’ across Nevada-—Utah-—Wyoming—Nebraska, etc. I suggest you have food & blankets with you. It is a long way to the ‘next place’ all across those states.”

Tesla has free supercharging stations about every 100 miles.


104 posted on 10/17/2017 11:37:45 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z)
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To: mazda77

20 minutes for 80% charge. Ya gotta get out some time to stretch & eat.


105 posted on 10/17/2017 11:38:05 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: TexasGator

Enough to make owning an electric car not feasible. I’ve had to drive that far twice in the past 6 months. And both times, I’ve needed to shift about 700lb of stuff, to boot.


106 posted on 10/17/2017 11:39:09 AM PDT by Little Pig
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To: TexasGator
You can travel all over the US with Tesla free charging stations!

That is not true unless you have on older Tesla S with lifetime free charging or the very high end Tesla S that costs in excess of $100K. The model 3 will get somewhere around 4 free fill-ups per year and then charge a modest fee to use the super charging stations.

107 posted on 10/17/2017 11:39:41 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: epluribus_2

To the contrary, you have the option of powering the vehicle from assorted sources, including solar/wind or whatever you can power a generator with. Yes, you will own the batteries. Maintenance is way better too.


108 posted on 10/17/2017 11:40:23 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: Mouton

When Irma came through our area electricity was on but gas stations were dry!


109 posted on 10/17/2017 11:40:42 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z)
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To: NTHockey

Tesla is just starting to ramp up Model 3 production. Layoffs actually indicate the automated factory is largely complete, and mass production is commencing.


110 posted on 10/17/2017 11:41:21 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: EVO X

“That is not true unless you have on older Tesla S with lifetime free charging or the very high end Tesla S that costs in excess of $100K.”

Wrong.


111 posted on 10/17/2017 11:42:08 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

uh, yeah.

brief summary of EV issues:

1. Range: abysmal, especially in climates that require air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter. AND the kind of states that have those extreme temperatures also tend to be the states with large geographic sizes where one has to drive LONG distances pretty much to anywhere, like the Rocky Mountain States and adjacent states.

2. Recharge time: again, abysmal, typical household recharging takes all night without large expenditures on fast-charging equipment and associated wiring, main panel upgrades, and even service entrance upgrades. Figure aboutt $5,000 per EV times 253,000,000 EVs = 12.5 trillion dollars for home charging system upgrades.

3. Recharge availability: once again, abysmal, requiring literally billions of recharge stations, since pretty much every car needs its own recharge station in every parking space. Total parking spaces in the U.S. are estimated at about 2 billion. Cost to build a pubic fast-charge station is about $60,000. Thus the necessary PUBLIC recharging infrastructure would cost roughly 120 trillion dollars.

Ultimately,though, the BIG issue is range anxiety, namely the product of abysmal range multiplied by abysmal charging station availability. Charging can be fixed for a measly dozen tens of trillions of dollars, but no amount of money is going advance battery technology beyond small, incremental improvements.


112 posted on 10/17/2017 11:42:45 AM PDT by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Some quick, back-of-the-envelope calculations, at 33.7kwh per gallon of gas, shows that 2 cars in a household consuming 80 gal of gas a month (10 gal a week times 4 weeks times 2) equaling 2696 kwh of energy....

...Consume three times as much energy as the actual "average" household itself - 915 kwh/month of electricity. Numbers from Google.

So -

Better batteries with longer range and more charging stations, while necessary, have little to do with the problem.

Before any large scale replacement can happen, utilities need to ramp up residential electric production by at least threefold. AND, they need to figure out a way to get all of that electricity downstream to the consumer.

Ford and GM can spit out all of the electric cars they want. Won't matter, if they're plugged in and there's no juice.

113 posted on 10/17/2017 11:44:01 AM PDT by wbill
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Recycle the used batteries. Most of it can be reused. You’ll make a good buck selling it back.


114 posted on 10/17/2017 11:44:12 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: ctdonath2

So why wait 20 minutes to only get 80% to the next stop on a scale of diminishing returns? 16+ hours a day, drive through eats with dump and fills at the same time. I just remember too many cross countries with the 879 mile marker at Beaumont.


115 posted on 10/17/2017 11:44:28 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: outpostinmass2

Not sure the details, but the 20 minute chargers are a thing. Common enough, too, that you can plan a drive across the country.


116 posted on 10/17/2017 11:44:57 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: TexasGator

“Tesla has free supercharging stations about every 100 miles.”

The US has about 4,071,000 miles highways and roads. Are you saying that Tesla has installed 40,710 free supercharging stations?


117 posted on 10/17/2017 11:46:50 AM PDT by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

>> I’m happily fully charged in less than 2 hours
>> with my level 2 clipper creek.

Don’t know what you’re driving, but I’ve had a Volt for a daily driver for over five years, and I frickin’ love it. It’s a joy to drive. Long charge times are not a factor for me... but I must say, saving 2/3 on my fuel expenses is kind of nice. I don’t care if charging takes a couple of hours. My car sits around doing nothing at least 20 hours a day, anyway.

Plus, if I have to go someplace a couple hundred miles away, or when I’m not charged up, I still have range extender, so no limits on that front. Nevertheless, I’ve found that about 91% of my driving for the past 5.5 years has been electrically powered. That’s money that I have NOT sent to OPEC. Hopefully that’s meant a Jihadi somewhere had to go without an IED or two.


118 posted on 10/17/2017 11:47:12 AM PDT by Mike-o-Matic
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To: TexasGator

And what fuels electricity for recharging?


119 posted on 10/17/2017 11:47:47 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Mariner

“I can see a household with two cars, one electric for commuting to work and the other when you need a real car/truck.”

That’s what we did for 2 years. Leaf EV + Explorer SUV. Former for daily commute, latter for thousand-mile trips.

Intend to resume that life when the Tesla 3 comes out (twice the price of your Civic, but a lot nicer and the SUV is long paid off).


120 posted on 10/17/2017 11:47:49 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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