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Canada won the War of 1812, U.S. historian admits
NATIONAL POST ^ | 11/27/11 | RANDY BOSWELL

Posted on 09/25/2017 5:13:31 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

In a relatively rare admission for an American scholar, a leading U.S. historian who authored a provocative new tome about North American military conflicts states bluntly that Canada won the War of 1812.

Johns Hopkins University professor Eliot Cohen, a senior adviser to former U.S. secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, writes in his just-published book Conquered Into Liberty that, “ultimately, Canada and Canadians won the War of 1812.”

And Cohen acknowledges that, “Americans at the time, and, by and large, since, did not see matters that way.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalpost.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1812; 2011; eliotcohen; johnshopkins; notcurrentnews; notnews; oldfakenews; oldnews; warof1812
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1 posted on 09/25/2017 5:13:31 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

That explains why we’re stuck with Justin Bieber.


2 posted on 09/25/2017 5:15:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

This cannot stand.


3 posted on 09/25/2017 5:16:21 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Happy Nobama!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I remember reading that the US didn’t win the war of 1812, but didn’t particularly lose it, either. Glad I could help. LOL


4 posted on 09/25/2017 5:16:42 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Which is why they speak French throughout the nation to this very day. Oh, wait...


5 posted on 09/25/2017 5:17:08 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
In a relatively rare admission for an American scholar, a leading U.S. historian who authored a provocative new tome about North American military conflicts states bluntly that Canada won the War of 1812.

It was British troops that came down and burned Washington. Yes, Canadians were among them, but if I recall correctly, it was predominantly a British force from England.

6 posted on 09/25/2017 5:17:34 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

54 40 or fight.


7 posted on 09/25/2017 5:17:49 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (I'm tired of the Cult of Clinton. Wish she would just pass out the Koolaide)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

On a related (or not) note:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cajuns


8 posted on 09/25/2017 5:18:12 PM PDT by be-baw (still seeking...)
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To: pepsi_junkie

Yeah, but which country has had The Stanley Cup since 1994?


9 posted on 09/25/2017 5:18:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Berlin_Freeper
No it can't.

Could you please sack York (Toronto) again. It is a good location but overrun by crooked politicians and parasites.

10 posted on 09/25/2017 5:18:41 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Islam delenda est.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Well, who exactly got to eat the pig?


11 posted on 09/25/2017 5:19:12 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Damn, the tag line disappeared again? Coursors!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“professor Eliot Cohen,”

“Eliot” is a fat kid who eats paste.


12 posted on 09/25/2017 5:19:40 PM PDT by JPJones (Who is FOR tariffs? George Washington, Ronald Reagan and Me.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Isn’t this article from way back in 2011?


13 posted on 09/25/2017 5:20:45 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I was conceived in liberty, how about you?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Seems to me I was taught it was a win versus the British because the British didn’t beat us senseless and we established our navy with Canada being stretch that didn’t work out. But I’ve never heard it as a glorious win especially as win or loss to Canada which did not exist as Canada.

But we won by losing. Imagine adding those cities to our own.


14 posted on 09/25/2017 5:23:24 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Sack York?

Sack Canada, heck the west will help.


15 posted on 09/25/2017 5:24:18 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
54 40 or fight.

Nope, even President Polk backed down and took the existing border that we now have with Canada. 54" 40 would have including the lower two-thirds of British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and much of Ontario.

16 posted on 09/25/2017 5:24:30 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (We're right, you're wrong - that's the end of the argument.)
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Sure, if you want to take a Canada-centric point of view.

We were fighting the British, though, and the fact that they didn't take us over again could be counted as a victory.

Those who went to war because they wanted to take over Canada certainly didn't get what they wanted, but we had so much land at the time that we could afford to forget about all that afterwards.

Bushite Eliot Cohen is no fan of Trump's. Maybe he's smoothing the way for eventually emigrating.

17 posted on 09/25/2017 5:25:26 PM PDT by x
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

LOL! At time Canada did not exist; the colonies of Lower and Upper Canada were ruled by the UK.


18 posted on 09/25/2017 5:25:33 PM PDT by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: sparklite2
If the U.S. had won the War of 1812, most of Southern Ontario would have ended up as part of the U.S.

Interesting history lesson played out in our modern highway map ...

US-2 was one of the original Federal highways in the 20th century. It was constructed along a route that had been designated decades earlier as an east-west road along the northern edge of the U.S.

From east to west, the route runs from Houlton, Maine (right on the border with the Canadian province of New Brunswick) to Rouses Point on Lake Champlain in upstate New York (right on the New York-Quebec border).

From west to east, the route runs from Everett, Washington (on the Pacific Ocean) to St. Ignace on the southern tip of Michigan's Upper Peninsula (the north side of the Mackinac Bridge).

The gap between the eastern and western sections of US-2 covers an area that would have been part of the U.S. if the War of 1812 had gone our way.

19 posted on 09/25/2017 5:26:25 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The war of 1812 was against the UK, not Canada. The US bit off more than it could chew invading Canada, but I don’t think that was a primary or even a secondary goal going into the war.


20 posted on 09/25/2017 5:28:42 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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