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Watch Russia's Only Operational Battlecruiser Launch A Massive "Shipwreck" Anti-Ship Missile
The Drive ^ | SEPTEMBER 19, 2017 | TYLER ROGOWAY

Posted on 09/19/2017 8:08:23 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’m sure that ship will always have at least 1 of our nuclear attack subs watching her 24x7 silently.


21 posted on 09/20/2017 1:17:52 AM PDT by prophetic (Trump is today's DANIEL. Rooting out the evils in Babylon but they will be the catfood at the end!)
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To: prophetic

The sub that was supposed to be doing that was in port for mandatory diversity training and the installation of gender neutral heads (bathrooms).

Also, if you hadn’t noticed, Obama winnowed down our fleet - including the replacements for the Los Angeles class boats, the Virigina-class. Which are actually deliberately degraded from the original 688 follow on, the Seawolf class. Which we only built three of before we decided we didn’t need an awesome underwater killer and went with the cheaper Virginia buses with less capability.


22 posted on 09/20/2017 2:17:51 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Steely Tom

If you are down to CWIS the shit is wide and deep. Only a few seconds worth of run time and minimum of five minutes to reload. Five minutes is an eternity if missiles are inbound.


23 posted on 09/20/2017 2:30:07 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Not my circus. Not my monkeys.)
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To: Spktyr

I know how they justified killing off the Sea Wolf claiming that it was designed for an enemy that no longer exists. However I am still pleased that we have a constant pipeline of subs being built vs nothing new for the Russian since they are broke.


24 posted on 09/20/2017 4:01:01 AM PDT by prophetic (Trump is today's DANIEL. Rooting out the evils in Babylon but they will be the catfood at the end!)
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To: Spktyr

That’s especially true when you forgot the lesson of the Belknap and return to building ships with aluminum hulls and/or superstructures.


25 posted on 09/20/2017 5:21:15 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: prophetic

Hate to tell you, but the Virginia build program was massively slowed down by the sequester... and someone forgot to tell the Russians that they didn’t have anything new because they ‘only’ developed two new classes in that time (Yasen, Borei) and they just launched another brand new one that is supposed to rival or surpass the Seawolf, let alone the bargain basement Virginas.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-nuclear-attack-submarine-yasen-class-tass-kalibr-cruise-missiles-east-europe-severodvinsk-a7667511.html

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/04/06/russia-bolsters-naval-arsenal-unveils-its-most-powerful-nuclear-sub-ever.html

Oh, and they’re back up to Cold War patrol levels. We’re, uh, not.


26 posted on 09/20/2017 5:22:08 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: meatloaf

I don’t think “don’t use aluminum” is the real lesson of the Belknap, but “don’t be an idiot about using aluminum.”

Guns and surface action between warships under 10,000 yards is while not entirely a thing of the past, a vanishing event. Much like tanks in the post war era when it became clear that anti-tank munitions could blow through any conceivably practical thickness of steel armor, antishipping munitions have gotten to that point. If you get hit, you’re going to be screwed, so going with superheavy armor becomes pointless.


27 posted on 09/20/2017 5:26:31 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Russians have more to fear from a ramming by the US Navy than our carriers.


28 posted on 09/20/2017 5:42:08 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Spktyr

You have a point. However, the LCS fiasco is an example of being an idiot.


29 posted on 09/20/2017 5:48:33 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf

The LCS isn’t just an example of being an idiot about the application of materials in a warship, it’s also being an idiot about arming a warship, configuring a warship, manning a warship and automating a warship.


30 posted on 09/20/2017 5:53:36 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: doorgunner69
"...Have to be hideously expensive to keep running, as often as they are in the yard...

I like that they are expensive to maintain. It serves our interests.

When I read about the successor system I thought "great, have fun with that, and have fun paying for that".

31 posted on 09/20/2017 5:54:43 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Trump's election does not release you from your prepping responsibilites!)
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To: T-Bone Texan

——I like that they are expensive to maintain-—

The ship is a jobs program. Maintenance provides jobs.

In a warless economy, defense maintenance jobs are very desirable


32 posted on 09/20/2017 5:57:21 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: T-Bone Texan

So are ours. Go look at the problems our DDG 1000 has.


33 posted on 09/20/2017 5:58:34 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: T-Bone Texan

Or the massive, expensive problems with the LCS: http://www.navytimes.com/pay-benefits/military-benefits/2016/09/05/navy-orders-big-changes-for-littoral-combat-ships-after-engineering-problems/


34 posted on 09/20/2017 5:59:57 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: bert; Spktyr

My comment touched on the massive money problems Russia faces. They are poor compared to us, in a big way.

It reminded me of the meme that the Soviet effort to match our space shuttle was the last straw that broke them economically, in some part.

I do not know if that is actually true, but I know they spent a lot of hard cash on it because they could not fabricate a lot of the complex stuff themselves, and had to buy it on the world market with real money.

So I say to the Russians “Spend, spend, spend”.


35 posted on 09/20/2017 6:12:47 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Trump's election does not release you from your prepping responsibilites!)
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To: T-Bone Texan

They aren’t crippled by entitlement spending like we are, though. And a decade plus of neglect in all aspects of our country.

Right now, we have a second rate Navy that blunders into merchant ships, while we dump billions into making our armed forces “diverse” instead of effective warfighters. That’s a really expensive thing. And they’re not hampered by that at all.


36 posted on 09/20/2017 6:30:14 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

The LCS program is a confluence of multiple wrong headed decisions. It’s a CF of massive proportions.


37 posted on 09/20/2017 7:20:52 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: T-Bone Texan
Per Wiki...... The Russian GDP is right in there with Australia and Mexico

United States 18,569,100 — European Union[n 1][19] 16,408,364 2 China[n 2] 11,218,281 3 Japan 4,938,644 4 Germany 3,466,639 5 United Kingdom 2,629,188 6 France 2,463,222 7 India 2,256,397 8 Italy 1,850,735 9 Brazil 1,798,622 10 Canada 1,529,224 11 South Korea 1,411,246 12 Russia[n 3] 1,280,731 13 Australia 1,258,978 14 Spain 1,232,597 15 Mexico 1,046,002

38 posted on 09/20/2017 7:48:37 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: DesertRhino
But an Iowa battleship is over twice the size.

Twice the size = twice the target.

39 posted on 09/20/2017 8:02:20 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: jdege

“A few thousand drones is another matter.”

Just a software update.


40 posted on 09/20/2017 8:45:43 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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