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U.S. Navy, Citing Poor Seamanship, Removes Commanders of USS Fitzgerald Over Deadly Collision
Reuters via gCaptain ^ | Aug 17, 2017 | Idrees Ali and Tim Kelly

Posted on 08/19/2017 8:37:40 AM PDT by Oatka

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fitzgerald; modernmilitary; usnavy; ussfitzgerald
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The Navy ain't what she used to be. (USN 1951)
1 posted on 08/19/2017 8:37:40 AM PDT by Oatka
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They were probably too busy their sensitivity and diversity training. The expanded trans section learning the proper use of pronouns is very time consuming.


2 posted on 08/19/2017 8:41:28 AM PDT by GMMC0987
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There’s only 1 captain and subordinate officers.


3 posted on 08/19/2017 8:43:02 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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Good seamanship is discriminatory.

Everyone who wants to be a seaman, uh... sea person, uh... sea cis genderbender...

... should be able to be one.


4 posted on 08/19/2017 8:44:30 AM PDT by Fido969 (IN!)
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To: Oatka

The 41 page report of what happened immediately after the collision is located here.

http://www.secnav.navy.mil/foia/readingroom/HotTopics/USS%20Fitzgerald/Supplemental%20Inquiry%20USS%20Fitzgerald.pdf


5 posted on 08/19/2017 8:45:54 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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Use your downtime to read some Captain John Trimmer.

And make sure it's the 2nd edition, apparently Fitzgerald commanders were only issued the 1st.

6 posted on 08/19/2017 8:48:34 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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On Page 4 and 5 of the report there is some new news regarding the Fitzgerald prior to the collision. The Fitzgerald had left Yokosuka the morning of June 16, at 2300 on June 16 the ship left the Yokosuka area and headed to sea. Until this report we did not know if the Fitzgerald was headed to or from Yokosuka. Now we know.

“”7. On the morning of 16 June 2017,
FITZGERALD departed Yokosuka, Japan for
routine operations. FITZGERALD began an
outbound transit to sea from the Sagami Wan
operating area at approximately 2300. By 0130
hours on 17 June 2017, FITZGERALD was
approximately 56 nautical miles to the southwest
of Yokosuka, Japan, near the Izu Peninsula
within sight of land and continuing its transit
outbound. The seas were relatively calm at 2 to
4 feet. The sky was dark, the moon was relatively bright, and there was scattered cloud cover and unrestricted visibility.””


7 posted on 08/19/2017 8:50:10 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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This is a report of the post-accident happenings that focuses on the injuries and deaths of the sailors. Nothing specific on what events took place that caused the collision.


8 posted on 08/19/2017 8:51:20 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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No specifics as to who, what, when, where.

There was definitely more going on than a single man on watch dozing off.


9 posted on 08/19/2017 8:54:05 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (We were Trumpin' before Trumpin' was cool.....)
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On page 22 of the report we now learn the Fitzgerald was going to Subic Bay on a course of 230 degrees at 20 knots.

We also learn from the report the ship was darkened except for required navigation lights.

We also learn the collision happened at 01:30. Remember the Navy was unwilling to explicitly state the time of collision in the hours after the event.

“””0000 FTZ underway in the Sea of Japan on the way to Subic Bay, Philippines. She
was on a course of 230 degrees (True) at 20 knots with modified ZEBRA set
throughout the ship. The ship was darkened, with the exception of exterior
lights required for navigation. The Commanding Officer was off of the bridge.
Approx. 0130 Collision with the ACX CRYSTAL on the starboard side. Berthing 2 is flooded
within 30-60 seconds.
0132 FTZ sounds collision alarm”””


10 posted on 08/19/2017 8:58:09 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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As I’ve written on other threads, I think the other large ship in the immediate area, the Wan Hai, will turn out to have played a significant role in this accident. If statements I’ve seen thus far are accurate, the Fitzgerald was probably closer to the Wan Hai ten or fifteen minutes prior to the collision with the Crystal.

I suspect that the Wan Hai was the focus on the bridge of the Fitzgerald at the time and that the Crystal went undetected, or was possibly even confused with the Wan Hai, resulting in the collision.

But the current report, as noted in the report itself, doesn’t address the pre-collision events and actions leading up to the accident.


11 posted on 08/19/2017 9:07:42 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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These three are “relieved.” What is that in Navy-speak? Desk job?


12 posted on 08/19/2017 9:09:39 AM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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Here are my observations/analysis prior to the collision based on the new news in the report:
1. USS Fitzgerald is heading 230 degrees and its AIS system would tell the bridge the Wan Hai 266 and ACX Crystal are heading 70 degrees towards them.
2. USS Fitzgerald is darkened, save navigation lights, and does not have its AIS transponder on.
3. ACX Crystal bridge detects the ‘stealth’ Fitzgerald and flashes a warning light at them. This action indicates the ACX Crystal bridge was indeed manned and the bridge was indeed alert to see a darkened ship with no AIS transponder heading towards them.


13 posted on 08/19/2017 9:13:10 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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Didn’t Gordon Lightfoot write a song about the “Wreck of the USS Fitzgerald”?


14 posted on 08/19/2017 9:13:25 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Yes, Liberals, I question your patriotism)
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"These three are “relieved.” What is that in Navy-speak? Desk job?

For now ... but their careers are over. They will never get promoted again and will be forced out because of the "up or out" policies in the military.

15 posted on 08/19/2017 9:14:06 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Ex Scientia Tridens)
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Having served as an officer in the Navy during Vietnam, the closest meaning to the word relieved was what happened when you go to the bathroom. It usually wasn’t pretty.


16 posted on 08/19/2017 9:17:46 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Why was the Fitz darkened?


17 posted on 08/19/2017 9:19:53 AM PDT by Freee-dame (Best election ever.)
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“””I suspect that the Wan Hai was the focus on the bridge of the Fitzgerald at the time and that the Crystal went undetected, or was possibly even confused with the Wan Hai, resulting in the collision.”””


I believe you are correct. If I recall correctly the Wan Hai 266 was 2 miles to the starboard of the ACX Crystal and on a parallel course.


18 posted on 08/19/2017 9:20:04 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: MuttTheHoople

No, it was the ‘Edmund Fitzgerald’ a merchant ship, plying the Great Lakes.


19 posted on 08/19/2017 9:21:53 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Women who are 25 pounds overweight tend to live longer than the men who mention it.)
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Didn’t Gordon Lightfoot write a song about the “Wreck of the USS Fitzgerald”?

Edmund Fitzgerald.

20 posted on 08/19/2017 9:23:39 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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