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Who was responsible for the violence in Charlottesville? Here's what witnesses say (both sides)
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Posted on 08/16/2017 11:45:10 AM PDT by Cubs Fan

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To: Enchante
I've been saying for days that a criminal conviction here would be very difficult. I don't know his state of mind, but there is so much evidence here that adds up in the "reasonable doubt" category that I can't see a prosecutor even wanting to go to trial with a murder charge.

The single biggest point in the driver's favor is that everyone he hit was in the street. It doesn't mean it's OK to run them over, but it surely calls into question what his motivations were and what the culpability of the victims might be.

61 posted on 08/16/2017 12:44:35 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: Cboldt

Do you know how far away from the monument the car crash occurred? It’s not mentioned in the article.

Thanks.


62 posted on 08/16/2017 12:47:45 PM PDT by bankwalker (Immigration without assimilation is an invasion.)
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To: bankwalker

And again, where were the cops and their supervisors, including the elected officials that day?

Was tear gas used at all to disperse? Or to contain/separate? Why were the groups allowed to mix?

Why aren’t these questions being asked by “reporters”?


63 posted on 08/16/2017 12:49:25 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Search "Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy tweets" and pass those links on to all you know)
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To: sourcery

That is a very good post. I would love to see a case or investigatioon brohught. But the unfortunate thing is the left breaks laws all the time, and they never are held to account for any of it. And they know it.


64 posted on 08/16/2017 12:52:52 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (The only thing standing in the way of full blown leftist totalitarianism in America is Donald Trump)
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To: Enchante
yeah, well, I didn’t say he was a competent driver...

I would say that he was more than a competent driver. He drove in reverse for over two blocks at a good rate of speed without wavering from side to side at all using only his rear view mirror to guide him.


65 posted on 08/16/2017 12:57:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: bankwalker
-- you know how far away from the monument the car crash occurred? --

No, but I'm going to look it up ...

Emancipation Park is all of the land bounded by Jefferson Street, First Street N.E., Market Street and Second Street N.E.

The pedestrians strike was at Water and Fourth streets.

Looks like the pedestrians strike was about 2 blocks "east" on Market, and 2 blocks "south" on Fourth; relative to the SE corner of Emancipation (Lee) Park.

Bing Map of vicinity

66 posted on 08/16/2017 12:59:58 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cubs Fan

This was a fight between the Democratic Party old guard and the new guard over the future of their party.

The big loser in this fight is the memorials to even older Democrats.


67 posted on 08/16/2017 1:01:09 PM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Those are my principles, and if you do not like them...well I have others. - Groucho Marx)
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To: Cubs Fan

bkmk


68 posted on 08/16/2017 1:01:21 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Cubs Fan

Had Antifa not showed up, there would have been *no* violence.

And if Heather Heyer had stayed home, she’d still be alive. But no - she went there with the full intent to take part in a violent protest. There’s a moral here somewhere, something found in the gospel of Matthew, something about swords...


69 posted on 08/16/2017 1:04:12 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D. - What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: taxcontrol

Based on the Kessler complaint filed in court, “counter protestors” were granted permits.

I have yet to find out what particular groups obtained those permits.


70 posted on 08/16/2017 1:04:45 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: Delta 21

You won’t see braking skid marks from late model vehicles anymore. Due to anti-lock braking systems. That key component of re-enacting an accident scene has been taken out of the equation.


71 posted on 08/16/2017 1:09:35 PM PDT by HandyDandy
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To: Delta 21

Anti-lock brakes. Most likely the “skid marks” you saw from him going in reverse are burn marks from him trying to get away from the folks attacking him. I’ve watched some video of the event where he is rolling slowly down the street, his car is then attacked by folks with clubs and bats, he then guns it. I don’t believe he intended to run folks down. I believe from the video and pictures I’ve seen, that he got scared and tried to get away. He should be held accountable for his actions, but I also believe he’ll be sacrificed to left and required pay far more dearly than he should.


72 posted on 08/16/2017 1:09:37 PM PDT by FroedrickVonFreepenstein
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To: dhs12345
"Whose stupid idea to allow both to have permits on the same day?"

Let's think about that for a moment:
Who benefited?

Why, the Dimocrat Party, of course: since the obvious failure of their "Russia collusion" fairy tale, they needed another way to attack Trump.

Who could have seen this violence coming a mile away?
Why, Terry McAuliffe, of course.

And how does he benefit?
When he runs for President in 2020...

SO whose idea was it?

73 posted on 08/16/2017 1:11:53 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D. - What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: HandyDandy
"You won’t see braking skid marks from late model vehicles anymore."

Wrongo, bwana.

Try stomping your brakes as hard and as quickly as you can: you'll leave skid marks.

74 posted on 08/16/2017 1:14:15 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D. - What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I call BS on BuzzFeed about the Nazis carrying guns. Didn't see any of that in the videos.
75 posted on 08/16/2017 1:15:55 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: tophat9000; fruser1

So I am confused here. I have only see the alt-right folks having been granted a permit. I have not seen any information indicating that ANTFA or BLM had permits to counter protest.

Please educate me and provide a URL or source if I am incorrect.


76 posted on 08/16/2017 1:16:13 PM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt)
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To: Redbob
Sure seems that way. Hard to believe that they would go that far as to incite violence and worse in favor of McAuliffe.

Then again, from what I have seen from them lately, it is very believable.

If he does run, he is going to have to explain himself and that may be difficult.

77 posted on 08/16/2017 1:17:04 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein

For that matter, more and more newer models come equipped with traction control (which sort of works opposite to anti-lock brakes). It prevents “burn-out” marks. If he left skid marks from his tires while accelerating in reverse, he either doesn’t have traction control, or he switched it off.


78 posted on 08/16/2017 1:18:33 PM PDT by HandyDandy
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To: Yashcheritsiy

And all he!! will break loose if we gets off with manslaughter.


79 posted on 08/16/2017 1:19:01 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Redbob

With four wheel ABS? Not likely, guy.


80 posted on 08/16/2017 1:20:04 PM PDT by HandyDandy
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