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North Korea seriously considering strike on Guam: Reports, citing state media
CNBC ^ | 8/8/17 | (No author listed)

Posted on 08/08/2017 3:25:11 PM PDT by aposiopetic

North Korea is considering a plan to fire missiles at Guam, state media said.

A spokesman for North Korea's military told KCNA that it would carry out a pre-emptive operation if there were signs of U.S. provocation.....

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: dprk; guam; nknukes; trumpasia
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To: GOYAKLA

Great idea. These nincompoops are beyond description. Yes, I remember Madeline Not-at-allBright!


81 posted on 08/08/2017 8:30:26 PM PDT by Kalamata (It's past time for pitchforks.)
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To: aposiopetic

Why would the NORKs risk annihilation by attacking a lesser strategic US target? This is “rope a dope”. My guess is that NK knows they have only ONE chance before they are hit. Therefore, their real target will be South Korea which is easier and more immediate for them.


82 posted on 08/08/2017 8:53:18 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: aposiopetic

I take any threat by NK seriously. They’ve been collaborating with Iran for years.

Remember when John Kerry told us the world was a safer place because of the Iran nuke deal? In actually it made the world a more dangerous place and accelerated its race toward getting the nuclear bomb.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/11/113_98613.html


83 posted on 08/08/2017 11:55:58 PM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: aposiopetic

I take every threat by Iran and NK seriously, but how does this author know they ARE serious? No one knows that for sue, but the words are thick.


84 posted on 08/08/2017 11:58:37 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Vaquero
You don’t set off nukes on the ground

Why not?

If the target is a hardened command post or centrifuge factory, why not below ground?

Are we going to file an environmental impact statement before attacking?

85 posted on 08/09/2017 12:30:38 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Blueflag
If Starfish Prime were repeated today, what would happen to smart phones and laptops in Hawaii? How much of Hawaii would lose power?

If Starfish Prime were repeated today, but 250 miles over Plato, Missouri instead of Johnston Island, what would be the effect on the US?

86 posted on 08/09/2017 12:44:48 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Yes a situation like a hardened bunker a ground blast does the trick. I’m talking about mass destruction of a city. There are formulas for optimizing destruction that require air blasts.


87 posted on 08/09/2017 4:09:33 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: SaveFerris

Wars & rumors of wars.

Our redemption approaches!


88 posted on 08/09/2017 6:04:40 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Americans are modern day Amorites ripe for destruction)
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To: cynwoody

AFAIK Starfish prime was primarily a ‘long-wire’ / long-antennae event, meaning more of an S3/E3 EMP event, maybe some S2/E3 pulse effects.

Can’t *really* know if it was also an S1/E1 transistor/IC killer since there weren’t any to speak of.

Strafish to my understanding was not as severe as often referred to. But nonetheless, it *did* happen as a result of the Starfish Prime test detonation, which occurred about 250 miles above the sea level, and ~1.4 +/- megatons.

While reports vary, here is one to chew on:

“Starfish Prime caused an electromagnetic pulse (EMP), which was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 1,445 kilometres (898 mi) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,[6] setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link.”

Vittitoe, Charles N., “Did High-Altitude EMP Cause the Hawaiian Streetlight Incident?” Sandia National Laboratories, June 1989, p. 5

Also this (very technical) — http://glasstone.blogspot.com/2006/03/emp-radiation-from-nuclear-space.html

Also, FWIW, the official DoD report entitled A “Quick Look” at the Technical Results of Starfish Prime published internally august 1962, now public domain [redacted] as a result of a 1989 FOIA request, did NOT discuss *any* effects outside of what was instrumented for the DoD aspects of the test. thus it makes NO mention of effects in Hawaii or elsewhere.

Starfish Prime was really a test to see if exoatmospheric bursts followed by lower altitude (80KM) bursts would aid penetration into enemy airspace by disrupting RADAR and comms. Per the DoD, the results were “less than anticipated” ... to the point of being militarily ineffective. Mostly because the results were (a) rather short lived, (b) not instrumented as best as planned, and (c) military hardening of the gear against EMP.

Lastly - take a look at this: http://www.futurescience.com/emp/E1-E2-E3.html


89 posted on 08/09/2017 6:56:21 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Magnum44

Tokyo is a lot closer than Guam with far less time to react. I am sure once NK starts this, they know they must inflict as much damage in a short time as possible.


90 posted on 08/09/2017 7:04:23 AM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: Fai Mao

Japan is a much better target in all those respects.


91 posted on 08/09/2017 7:05:09 AM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

This could get interesting.


92 posted on 08/09/2017 12:08:04 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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To: cynwoody

Boy that looks like a rural place. Reminds me of a place in Kansas; just a few unused buildings right on an east-west highway.


93 posted on 08/09/2017 12:11:26 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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To: SaveFerris
In 2010, the Census Bureau calculated that Plato, MO was at the center of gravity of the US population.

They've done that calculation every census since 1790.


94 posted on 08/09/2017 2:34:31 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

That city name reminded me of Dana Plato. Wow what a disaster.

I was working in a pretty rural area when I had to go through places that some parts looked like ghost towns. Couldn’t always get a carrier signal on one of my mobile phones, neither.


95 posted on 08/09/2017 2:51:41 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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To: Blueflag

Thanks!


96 posted on 08/09/2017 2:58:03 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ripnbang

and a lot of man made global warming in the Eastern Hemisphere


97 posted on 08/09/2017 3:25:21 PM PDT by relee (Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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