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A history of why the US is the only rich country without universal health care
Quartz ^ | 7/18/2017 | Annalisa Merelli

Posted on 07/19/2017 8:41:57 AM PDT by Incorrigible

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To: Incorrigible

Shit like this is why Trump won.


21 posted on 07/19/2017 9:10:33 AM PDT by Principled (OMG I'm so tired of all this winning...)
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To: Incorrigible

Obamacare has been very successful in performing its primary purpose. Destroy the US healthcare system, replace it with the worst bureaucratic mess of a system you can devise, and soon the sheeple will beg for socialized medicine.


22 posted on 07/19/2017 9:10:34 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation has ended!)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Posted before I read the comments.

GMTA. See post #15.


23 posted on 07/19/2017 9:11:21 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: IronJack

If it’s true that poll respondents are too STOOOOPID to know that “Single Payer” and “Medicare for All” are the same thing, we’re doomed.


24 posted on 07/19/2017 9:17:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Incorrigible

Bkmk


25 posted on 07/19/2017 9:25:07 AM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is Mine)
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To: HypatiaTaught
Rich country??? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Heeheeheeheehee Hohohohohoohoho Hahahahaha! Good one, we are TRILLIONS in debt FOREVER.

Most of the debt has been accumulated in the past 16 years. @5.7 Trillion with W. Bush & the Imposter Obama piled on an additional $11 Trillion estimate.

$16.7 Trillion is the total debt from just 2 presidents!!!

Let's see----Dennis Hastert was Speaker for 6 years, the Pelousy was speaker for 4 years, then the drunkard John Boehner was the drunk I mean he was speaker for approx. 5 years, and then the sorry guy Paul Ryan (He really is a sorry speaker).

My point is we had sorry speakers of the peoples house while we accumulated $16.7 probably $17 Trillion dollars in debt. They are just embarrassed at giving us the actual numbers.

I hope we get a new speaker in 2018 and Paul Ryan does not even want to talk about term limits. I wonder why???

26 posted on 07/19/2017 9:30:08 AM PDT by TheConservativeTejano (God Bless Texas...)
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To: Incorrigible

College friend of mine is an attorney in France. About age 60 as am I. About a year ago she fell and broke her ankle. It was misdiagnosed/mistreated. Now she’s confined to a wheelchair and may never walk again. Having to work from home. The most they’ll give her for the pain is Tylenol. She’s having to smuggle Advil. After years of her telling me how much better things are in France - the food, the wine, the food, the wine, the food, the wine - I’m so biting my tongue every time I talk to her.


27 posted on 07/19/2017 9:31:10 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: Locomotive Breath

Why bite your tongue? You can make your point delicately and kindly but very firmly.


28 posted on 07/19/2017 9:39:28 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Incorrigible

Why does the GOP let the Dems use these phony numbers? There are only 10 million on Obamacare and many of those previously had private insurance. So the idea that Obamacare reduced the number of uninsured by 20 million is a lie.


29 posted on 07/19/2017 9:41:57 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SoCal Pubbie

So.... telling someone who has is permanently confined to a wheelchair..”see, told you I’m right....” is the right way to go?

Yeah, that’s how to win friends and influence people.


30 posted on 07/19/2017 9:51:06 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Incorrigible

According to the World Bank, out-of-pocket expenditures are 85 percent of private health care in Japan.

But, in the U.S., the comparable figure is 21 percent.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.OOPC.ZS

So which of these rich countries has more “health insurance?”

In Japan, most people pay out-of-pocket for ordinary expenses. Insurance is there for extraordinary expenses. This keeps costs down, and strengthens the role of the consumer in the marketplace.

In the US, people think of health insurance as free or provided their employer or by the government. So, they want health insurance to cover everything. Mental illness, check. Vision care Eye care. Just wait.

The US will never, ever, ever have enough money free health care. Health care will be rationed by waiting lines. People will quietly die while waiting in line. This is the way it is in the U.K.


31 posted on 07/19/2017 9:51:56 AM PDT by Redmen4ever (u)
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To: HypatiaTaught

Exactly!

How the hell is a country that’s nearly $20 trillion in debt considered to be a “rich” country?


32 posted on 07/19/2017 9:56:49 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation ("You can't fix America without pissing off the people who broke it".....Bill Mitchell)
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To: Incorrigible
The answer is that the lack of universal coverage and high costs are intimately linked ”both economically and historically.

This unsupported assertion is utter nonsense!

There is no credible evidence that universal coverage works.

There is no credible evidence that single payer works.

High costs are the direct result of government interference in the health care industry.

Personal responsibility in a free enterprise environment results in low health care costs for all.

33 posted on 07/19/2017 10:12:11 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Redmen4ever
People will quietly die while waiting in line. This is the way it is in the U.K.

Unfortunately, that's the way it is at the VA (America's current version of single-payer)!!

I had steel pins put into my ankle while on active duty, then got put out on a medical discharge, with the pins still in place. The pins were to be removed within 12-16 months. The VA refused to remove the pins, because I didn't have a high enough rate of recovery (basically, removing the pins wouldn't make me at least 75% better than my current condition), so they denied my REQUIRED surgery.

I had to pay my personal doctor to have the pins removed!! And it took so long for the VA to screw around and everything, my ankle had started growing over the head of the screws, which cost me more to have them removed and lengthened my recovery time! Gotta love single-payer!!
34 posted on 07/19/2017 10:19:59 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Helping Make American Great Again, by ignoring Liberals!)
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To: SoCal Pubbie; Locomotive Breath

I read other of my female classmates’ fb pages and most of them seem liberal, hillary supporter types. about half seem divorced. After one painful experience with my old college GF earlier this year, i try to avoid bringing up politics with these women since apparently they have little tolerance for any other than a radical liberal point of view. I consider myself an old school feminist supporter, which when i was young made me a bit radical and subversive, but now it is nowhere near enough, and now i am feeling a need to recalibrate radically, along the lines of Heinlein’s Starship Troopers (a representative meritocracy).


35 posted on 07/19/2017 10:20:20 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: Incorrigible
And how did it come to be this way?

Let's also throw two more factors into the mix.

1. Those post-WWII "socially liberal" European governments didn't have to maintain their own military-industrial complex, so they were free to spend lavishly on social programs.

2. In the United States, we relied heavily on "faith-based charities" to provide much of the safety net for the least-advantaged Americans. Starting in the 1980s, the push for "separation of church and state" lead to a radical push of religion "out of the public square." This was most visible as banning prayer in schools, but it was also attacking so-called "soup kitchens" provided by religious groups as forced proselytizing of the poor. This was extended to church-run hospitals and clinics, too.

Driving faith-based charities away pushed ALL of the costs of caring for the poor onto the government, where once it was provided by private-sector philanthropy.

-PJ

36 posted on 07/19/2017 10:35:28 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: SecAmndmt
self-right·eous ˌself ˈrīCHəs/Submit adjective having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior. "self-righteous indignation and complacency" synonyms: sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, self-satisfied, smug, priggish, complacent, pious, moralizing, preachy, superior, hypocritical; informalgoody-goody
37 posted on 07/19/2017 10:46:23 AM PDT by hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998 (---->VMFA 235 '69 -'72 KMCAS <--- F4 PHANTOM... FLYING BRICK)
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To: Incorrigible
That leaves the US with Obamacare, whose signal achievement was to cut by 20 million (pdf) the number of Americans without health insurance; the Republican plan would have entirely reversed those gains. But Obamacare still leaves nearly 30 million people not covered...

It's funny, but that 30 million uninsured number was exactly what the democrats were touting when they approved Obamacare. Net effect, apparently, was zero.

38 posted on 07/19/2017 10:59:14 AM PDT by MortMan (Adoption is God's grace in human action.)
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To: hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998

Hmm. Well I was simply stating fact. Sorry if a few snowflakes got their underpants in a wad.

What is really self-righteous is listening to a clearly gluttonous person sing the praises of the war on drugs, maybe while slurping on a 24oz diet drink.


39 posted on 07/19/2017 11:07:29 AM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: olezip
Occam's Razor Answer: BECAUSE THE VOTERS DID NOT WANT IT!!!


40 posted on 07/19/2017 11:37:37 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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