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Minnesota bill against female genital mutilation raises opposition
Star Tribune ^

Posted on 05/25/2017 9:29:35 AM PDT by TigerClaws

Opposition from some members of Minnesota’s immigrant and refugee communities is slowing the momentum of a bill that would impose stiff penalties for parents involved in cases of female genital mutilation.

Since the bill’s near-unanimous passage in the Minnesota House this week, some longtime critics of the ritual have met with senators, lobbied the governor’s office and handed out fliers — all to raise alarm about the legislation.

The Council for Minnesotans of African Heritage, a nonprofit called Isuroon and other groups argue that the legislation carries overly harsh punishment and unintended consequences, including the possibility that newcomers from countries where genital cutting is widespread would not seek medical care and other services for their children. They call for a less punitive approach focused on educating parents.

Now, the author of the Senate version is voicing second thoughts about approving the legislation yet this session, though Senate GOP leadership have not committed to a course of action. “We all agree this practice is absolutely horrible, and something needs to be done,” said the author, Sen. Karin Housley. “How can we empower communities to address this practice from within rather than having Big Brother come down and say, ‘This is wrong?’ ”

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To: DoughtyOne
I'm repeating it because you're not understanding it; failure to understand the true nature of our enemy is deadly.

Mohammed's ideology isn't just some false religion that became thoroughly integrated with the society in which it grew up. Mohammed's ideology, from its very beginning, went far beyond addressing the nature of the Deity and Man's relationship to the Deity.

For the islamics, islam IS religion, IS government, IS the framework in which business is done, IS interpersonal relationships, IS the structure of family life. And in all of these things, islam is totalitarian, is violent, is brutal, and is sexually perverted.

Islam didn't "become integral with the societies it infests". Where it is currently dominant, it overthrew the societies that existed before it. Where it is not currently dominant, it seeks to overthrow and destroy the societies currently existing there. Islam doesn't want to "integrate with" America (or any other place). Islam wants to replace America.

The pejorative term "cult", which has been casually tossed around in America since the 1970s, and which has become largely meaningless from overuse, does not even begin to express the true horror of mohammedanism. The Moonies are a "cult". They're the original "cult", IIRC. Mohammedanism is a lethal threat to us personally, and an existential threat to our society.

41 posted on 05/25/2017 11:48:58 AM PDT by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: NorthMountain

It is a cult. It meets the definition, and any accurate negative term used to describe it is important to use. It’s not just okay to use, it’s important to use.

Yes, a cult has taken over those societies and seeks to take over more.

Once folks grasp it’s a cult, our girls who seem to swoon over Middle Eastern men can be spared the devastation of mingling with Islamic adherents.

Once Islam is seen as a cult, folks will quit trying to say how peaceful it is, how wholesome it is, and how everyone who opposes it is xenophobic or some such rot.

It’s a death cult.

It’s not simply another acceptable lifestyle, as the moral relativists would want us to say.


42 posted on 05/25/2017 11:57:30 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Happy days are here again!)
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To: DoughtyOne
The definition of "cult" is worthless. Seriously, I've seen evangelical Protestant "cult awareness" sites listing the Roman Catholic Church as a "cult". If you agree with that assessment, you have a problem. If you don't, maybe you can see why I reject the term as lacking objective meaning. It "jumped the shark".

As for the rest: You're seriously underestimating the threatening dangers of he mohammedan ideology. It's far more of a lethal threat than German national socialism, Japanese imperialism, or Soviet communism. However, it has much more in common with them, than it has with the Moonies.

I'm objecting to the use of the term "cult" to describe mohammedanism for two reasons.

1) In actual practice, the term is so fuzzy as to be nearly meaningless.

2) The term seriously UNDERSTATES the dangers posed by mohammedanism.

43 posted on 05/25/2017 12:13:44 PM PDT by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: NorthMountain

It’s a single word the accurately describes Islam.

I’m sorry you refuse to admit that, but I put the definition out there for you, and it’s crystal clear.

Why is Islam such a threat? Is it a threat because it’s a religion, or is it a threat because it’s a cult?

I don’t think a protestant president is a threat to our nation. He would be inside the “normal” societal umbrella of normalcy. We have seen what a president who was an Islamic adherent was like. This representative of the Islamic cult, tried to do serious harm to our nation.

Object all you like. You can object to the background on this page being termed white too.


44 posted on 05/25/2017 12:25:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Happy days are here again!)
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To: DoughtyOne
It’s a single word the accurately describes Islam

No, it does not. It seriously understates islam.

Why is Islam such a threat? Is it a threat because it’s a religion,

As I have repeatedly told you, islam is far more than a religion, and the almost meaningless term "cult" doesn't even begin to describe it.

I don’t think a protestant president is a threat to our nation.

Nor a Catholic one, even if some folks thing the Catholic is a "cult" member. A communist president IS a threat to our nation. A national socialist president IS a threat to our nation. A mohammedan president IS a threat to our nation. As you note, 0bama exemplifies this threat. The threat posed by an Islamic, like the threat posed by a Nazi or a communist, does not come from how he wishes to pray (or not pray) to the Deity (if such even exists). It comes from the islamic's desire, like that of the Nazi or the commie, to replace ALL aspects of society with the brutal, perverted dictates of his totalitarian ideology. The mohammedan is far more dedicated to his ideology (and therefore to destroying and replacing our nation) than the Nazi or commie would ever be.

45 posted on 05/25/2017 12:38:19 PM PDT by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: NorthMountain

Thank you for your comments.

We are going to disagree on the issue of the cult label for Islam.

It is backed by the dictionary, and historic events and practices.

If you wish to try to dismiss it, go for it. You won’t be successful because you’re simply wrong.

I don’t disagree with your comments post that stricken down protestation for yet another pointless time.

It is a cult. It is more of a threat for that very reason. Duh!

Take care.


46 posted on 05/25/2017 12:58:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Happy days are here again!)
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To: DoughtyOne; NorthMountain

Can we stop with the semantics and simply agree that Islam is evil and has no place here?

I call it a totalitarian socio-political system masquerading as a religion, but I am not offended if you call it a cult or anything else that reflects its undesirability.


47 posted on 05/25/2017 1:04:29 PM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: fella

yes, that works.


48 posted on 05/25/2017 1:09:44 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: JimRed; NorthMountain

I think NorthMountain makes some valid comments here too.

It is an terrible movement. We all agree with that.

I’ve beaten my point into the ground. Enough.

Thanks JimRed.


49 posted on 05/25/2017 1:12:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Happy days are here again!)
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