Posted on 04/06/2017 8:32:25 AM PDT by GIdget2004
An amendment to the GOP's repeal plan would dole out $15 billion to insurers over nine years to help cover the costs of sick, expensive patients.
Lawmakers say the new funds would bring down premiums for healthy people by subsidizing medical costs for people with especially high expenses.
Under ObamaCare, insurers are required to charge everyone of the same age the same amount for premiums, regardless of their medical history or conditions.
That means costs are spread out among healthy and sick people, and insurers would essential pass those costs on to healthy people. The $15 billion would help subsidize those high costs, but the amendment doesn't lay out how the money would be distributed but leaves it up to the Health and Human Services department.
In 2020, the administration of the program will be handed over to the states.
"I believe what we've written here helps us mitigate their need to stay in the healthcare system but also mitigates the extra costs that have been transferred to other folks trying to buy healthcare coverage," said Rep. David Schweikert (R-Ariz.), one of the sponsors of the amendment.
The idea, modeled after a program in Maine, appears similar to the "reinsurance" aspect of ObamaCare for its first three years.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
No it doesn't. It's just socialist redistribution. Let the high cost patients pay their own way. Unless the responsible taxpayers who will be robes of the $15 billion made them sick (unlikely) then they are in no way responsible for the high cost patients problems or expenses.
The Freedom Caucus wants this separate risk pool - anyone know why? If it’s to get old fashioned insurance into regular folks hands at a market price and put the high risk folks over alone in a transparent pool, I’m for it. High risks folks are going to get care, that’s a given, not having it ruin everything for everyone else is the solve.
I personally thought they had a plan to keep the money-printing game of Three Card Monty going well beyond my lifetime.
What they didn’t count on was losing political control over an increasing number of countries. Plan is in the ditch, and that light is getting bright indeed.
(moved to the country.....Mr. Douglas....love your handle! I’m a huge Green Acres fan!)
“This is why I moved to my 32 acres in KY in 2011.”
When “it” collapses, your 32 acres in KY will be as much worth or of use as a pile of 2 dollar bills.
Better start making homemade diabetes pills, blood pressure medications, a sustainable fresh water source, a self sustaining filtration system, renewable fuel from local sources, and adjustment to life without electricity. And a home defense system rivaling the National Guard, because you know the urban and suburban masses will be on the move. Good luck with that 32 acres.
What do you suggest they do? They are kinda stuck. Too many people would be negatively impacted if they did what is necessary.
We’re a little bit like a patient that has to have a brain tumor that must be removed, but we are telling he doctor that we REFUSE to let them cut us to get to it. So he does all sorts of “non-effective” solutions to make us “feel” like he is diligently working on the problem - until the patient dies.
This is the situation we are in. The difference between the democrats and republicans is just the fake non-solution thy offer.
This deal sucks. Why does any tax payer have to pay for another taxpayer? The insurance companies get rich off this and the damned Doctors. This is absolutely out of control. I guess we shovel tax dollars to the insurance company to guarantee a profit!! I guarantee our premiums will NOT go down. This is corruption by the insurance lobby.
Return to pre obama care free market !! It was great. My premium was $157. I had a $300 deductible!! I don’t want to pay for others that don’t want to work hard and pay for their own. REPEAL OBAMA CARE and get out of the health insurance business!!
Exactly so, and precisely the reason we should repeal ObamaCare.
This legislation has the right idea: the entire repeal in one sentence.
But it is a Republican plan, so it is a-okay. In fact, this is the greatest healthcare plan ever. Just beautiful plan.
I'm amazed at how many people seem to think that -- remember the anger/hate toward the House Freedom Caucus for not approving the RyanCare plan?
It's like people are incapable of realizing that something like this, or the IRS's political targeting, or the NSA/CIA's domestic spying, or the lack of prosecution in Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and so on simply cannot happen without support from both sides
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TL;DR -- It's not Republican vs. Democrat, it's elite vs. the common man.
15 billion?
That would cover about 10 people in the ICU for about 20 days or so.
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won’t leave much for medical malpractice law suits
Yeah, another crap sandwich to lay on the taxpayers to duck criticism for doing the right thing and repealing the screwed up mess we have now.
The republican congress is truly not any better than a democratic one. Losers all.
There's no situation that can't be made 100 times worse by getting the government involved.
The government, especially federal, should NEVER have gotten involved in health care in the first place, in ANY capacity.
They've never had the mandate, and they've never had the right.
It’s a DOG! And as they say around here, “That dog won’t hunt!”
Perhaps the generous Congressmen/congresswomen that support giving $15 Billion to the insurance companies will use their personal resources to come up with the money. Oh, that’s right - they don’t have it. It’s always easy to spend other peoples money. This is written with festering anger that continues to build, despite having reached what I had believed was a maximum heat.
Repeal it outright. Now. Do it. Are they a man/woman, or a mouse?
Gwjack
I suggest they repeal Obamacare. Not A proper federal activity. If any more welfare or taxpayer-subsidized programs are “necessary” the states can do them ( and better, too).
yet another scheme totally unrelated to the promises to REPEAL AND REPLACE obamacare ...
Trump needs to address the nation to explain exactly how Obamacare has destroyed healthcare.
It was a pack of lies, plain and simply.
Keep your plan, your Dr and save at least 2400.00
What it did is dump those with pre-existing conditions, who were covered at a reasonable price by their old plans.
The whole thing was simply a pathway to single-payer and Marxist control over our very lives.
It all needs to be repealed, the pain and cost of caring for those with pre-existing conditions will have to be born by the middle-class taxpayer...because that is where all the money is.
The entire blame belongs to the democrats, not a single republican voted for the monstrosity.
There is only one way to mitigate the fiasco, deny all medical care to illegals. If they become ill and show up in an ER then after stabilization they are immediately flown back to their country of origin.
All benefits for illegals must be denied, schooling, healthcare, welfare of ANY sort. Just send them back or make them self-deport.
These measure will enable us to care for those with pre-existing conditions who were screwed by Obamacare.
Insurance will NOT be mandatory, but if you can afford to and refuse to get insurance then any cost incurred by the taxpayer will be your responsibility and NOT dischargeable under bankruptcy law....i.e. the debt will follow you forever.
These people are retarded.
The GOP is clearly not listening to patriots as per the following explanation. (How many times are us patriots going to allow GOP to fool us?)
Patriots are reminded that, regardless what state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices want everybody to think about the constitutionality of Obamacare, it remains that the states have never expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for INTRAstate healthcare purposes. This is evidenced by the exerpts below.
Regarding the constitutionality of the Obamacare insurance mandate for example, note the fourth entry in the list from Paul v. Virginia, that case decided by a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices. The Roberts Supreme Court ignored that these justices had clarified that regulating insurance is not within the scope of Congress’s Commerce Clause powers (1.8.3), regardless if the parties negotiating the insurance policy are domiciled in different states.
"Our citizens have wisely formed themselves into one nation as to others and several States as among themselves. To the united nation belong our external and mutual relations; to each State, severally, the care of our persons [emphasis added], our property, our reputation and religious freedom.” —Thomas Jefferson: To Rhode Island Assembly, 1801.
"State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphasis added].” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
"4. The issuing of a policy of insurance is not a transaction of commerce within the meaning of the latter of the two clauses, even though the parties be domiciled in different States, but is a simple contract [emphases added] of indemnity against loss.” —Paul v. Virginia, 1869. (The corrupt feds have no Commerce Clause (1.8.3) power to regulate insurance.)
"From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added]. …” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
So patriots are once again warned that if they do not support Pres. Trump in peacefully “forcing” the corrupt feds to surrender state powers that the feds have been stealing from the states back to the states, then it is only a matter of time before corrupt Congress is once again working in cahoots with a lawless president to use those stolen state powers to oppress the sovereign states and their citizens.
Drain the swamp! Drain the swamp!
Remember in November ’18 !
Since Trump entered the ’16 presidential race too late for patriots to make sure that there were state sovereignty-respecting candidates on the primary ballots, patriots need make sure that such candidates are on the ’18 primary ballots so that they can be elected to support Trump in draining the unconstitutionally big federal government swamp.
Such a Congress will also be able to finish draining the swamp with respect to getting the remaining state sovereignty-ignoring, activist Supreme Court justices off of the bench.
In fact, if Justice Gorsuch is approved but turns out to be a liberal Trojan Horse then we will need 67 patriot senators to remove a House-impeached Gorsuch from office.
Noting that the primaries start in Iowa and New Hampshire in February ‘18, patriots need to challenge candidates for federal office in the following way.
While I Googled the primary information above concerning Iowa and New Hampshire, FReeper iowamark brought to my attention that the February primaries for these states apply only to presidential election years. And after doing some more scratching, since primary dates for most states for 2018 elections probably haven’t been uploaded at this time (March 14, 2017), FReepers will need to find out primary dates from sources and / or websites in their own states.
Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.
Patriots also need to find candidates that are knowledgeable of the Supreme Court's clarifications of the federal government’s limited powers listed below.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
”State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphasis added].” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
Hey, I’m with you. It’s not about risk elimination. It’s about risk reduction.
And I don’t plan on needing those pills. And I have a “clean” natural well as well as two streams. I have 28 acres of trees for fuel to keep warm.
It would not be a walk in the park, but it would be better than living in the city. Meanwhile, we live on our own piece of heaven on earth. :-)
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